re: Les Miles should be inducted into La sports HOF before Nick Saban.

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Defend defend defend....

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stating facts isnt defending.

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Also stop using Miles 10 win seasons as proof of his greatness. In 2006 the NCAA added a 12th game to the regular season.

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So how about his 11+ win seasons?

He had 5 of those in his first seven seasons

I don’t dismiss Miles’ accomplishments, but I also have to say that a pet peeve of mine is when people qualify Miles’ failures with the “Saban is the greatest college coach of all time” argument.

I mean, okay... but if Les even tries to make the changes that everyone around the program was kicking and screaming for — there’s no way we drop every single Bama game through ‘11, ‘12, ‘13, ‘14, ‘15, and ‘16. Seeing as how they’re a divisional rival, Saban’s present-day resumé + Bama’s brand leverage look a little different if you rewrite the outcome of even one or two those games.

Idc how good the other team is... the talent isn’t that lopsided even now (with Bama dynasty clearly established) — and it was even less so in 2011.

And no, I’m not done yet.
#rant

In the West division... Auburn, Ole Miss, and A&M have all beaten Bama more recently than LSU — in the East, freakin South Carolina is only lagging a year behind with the 2010 W.

Saban isn’t untouchable. He just figured out his #1 divisional rival’s number — and Les didn’t change the damn number for almost a decade.

Now, I know someone here is gonna be like... well it took CEO 3 years to fix it.

Again, we get to play 7 degrees of Les Miles — Do y’all not recall melting about LSU signing more FBs than LBs toward the end of Les’ tenure?? THAT WAS 4 YEARS AFTER NOT CROSSING THE 50 YD LINE IN THE NCG.

Turning Miles’ 2016 roster into a spread threat was always going to be a process... But not many things could be more validating (or damning, depending on your perspective) as this year has been through 3 games.

Les accomplished a lot from ‘05-‘11, but I can’t remember a year after ‘08 where a sizeable chunk of fans weren’t busting blood vessels over predictable, one-dimensional offenses that underutilized talent & resulted in teams as stacked as 2011’s underachieving — some were more patient than others, but everyone was saying it in 2012-2016.

It’s hyperbolic and unfair to say that Miles slowly destroyed what Saban built. However, it is fair to say that Saban left the program trending up, and Miles left the program trending down.

It’s just as asenine to point to Miles 11-year win total as the end-all, be-all... as it is not to credit him for his best teams/seasons. Let’s not pretend he wasn’t utterly terrible for a whole 5 years. Because he really was lol.

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when ed orgeron has 1/4 of the accomplishments at lsu as miles I'll start listing them

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This right here shows me you are A Miles fan 1st and A LSU fan second..............

You just don’t get it..... you and rick BOTH get into defend mode if something is said negative about what Miles did here....... I have never one time said O is a better coach than Miles..... Miles is long gone.... support the coach we have now instead of looking for ANY chance to cut him down.....is that so hard to do???????? Bottom line is that you would rather defend a coach that’s gone instead of looking for positive things to say about or current HC who has the team at number 5 in the country.... you know facts and stuff....

I’ve officially been triggered lmao.

Les did a lot for LSU football, but you can’t just yell MOST ACCOMPLISHED at everyone and pretend the dude wasn’t utterly depressing for 5 whole years.

The program’s current pulse and trajectory is vastly preferable to the way I remember 50% of Miles’ LSU (you know, the more recent 50%).

I have three questions for the “most accomplished” crowd & for ppl upvoting this post:
1) If you could rewrite history, would you hire Miles in 2000 instead of Saban? yes/no
2) Are you satisfied with the moves CEO has made? The talent and the staff he has assembled? Excited about this year? Yes/no
3) Would you take Les Miles back right now? Yes/no

I actually don’t care what your answers are to 1 & 2. If you answered yes to 3, you’re insane.

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3) Would you take Les Miles back right now? Yes/no

I actually don’t care what your answers are to 1 & 2. If you answered yes to 3, you’re insane.

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ok, let's say Orgeron has a stroke or something at the end of the season. Aranda takes the head coaching job somewhere else, Brady goes to the NFL as an OC. Miles gets Kansas to something like 7-5, 8-4. With the offensive scheme he showed vs BC.

Miles says he will take the job for O's current salary, on a year to year basis, until LSU can land a younger man they want. Says he has the recruiting inroads, and he will bring his OC over.

Do you refuse without hesitation? Why? Why not?

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Do you refuse without hesitation? Why? Why not?

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Yes scoob, I beg Woodward to throw money at Jimbo or I promote Aranda if he can retain Brady and E.

Why? Because I never want to see any team I follow run a Schembeckler-inspired offense again for as long as I live. I don’t even want to think about it lol.

It would take Miles fielding offenses that were enhanced by scheme (as opposed to succeeding in spite of it) for 5 years to make me trust him.

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This right here shows me you are A Miles fan 1st and A LSU fan second...........

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so I'm a miles fan 1st because I wont MAKE UP accomplishments that O has achieved at lsu?

as I said... once O achieves note worthy accomplishments I will start touting them.

its amazing how you can shite all over O with your opinions but I cant post objective facts about his tenure.