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Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:08 pm to xiv
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:29 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:36 pm to BoyHowdy
quote:
Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
Because it's vague and hard to disprove.
When in reality the burden of proof should be on them.
They do anything to avoid facts. No real racism? They create institutional racism. No institutional racism? They will create something else
When you can't accept responsibility for your own actions you have to search high and low for a racist that is oppressing you
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:40 pm to xiv
About time you raised your flag 
Maybe next time
Maybe next time
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:41 pm to xiv
quote:What is your opinion of thomas sowell?
xiv
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I don’t know...he’s like, good?
What is your opinion of thomas sowell?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:49 pm to xiv
quote:You call yourself a conservative and you have never heard of sowell? He is the most significant conservative intellectual since WFB. He is still writing books. They are all great. He is black, so he is particularly interested in racial issues.
I don’t know...he’s like, good?
He is a must-read author if you are interested in conservative POVs on issues.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I said he was like, good and stuff.
Thank you for the suggestion.
Thank you for the suggestion.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 1:55 am to Zach
quote:I'm not saying that ain't so, but it seems a little stark. Same income and twice as likely?
Blacks with identical incomes to whites are twice as likely to default on loans. So, they are a greater risk.
You got some stats on that?
Eta: What kind of loans?
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 1:58 am
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:43 am to wutangfinancial
quote:That article was written by Coleman Hughes, an undergraduate philosophy major at Columbia University. His inability to appreciate his own misuse of statistics is appalling, as is your apparent similar inability.
That's just a few examples from that article. I'm also acknowledging that some of the disparity can be traced to racism, you cannot just blanket say it's entirely do to that one factor. I think that is an inprecise and disingenous argument.
Perhaps the best example is this statistic that you picked out of the article, thinking it bolstered your position.
quote:The magnitude of the rise of income noted is not near as meaningful as the raw income levels. Despite of the rise in black median income, the result was that, in 1960, the median income of blacks was still only approximately 60% of the median income of whites -- $3,075 compared to $5137.
Though it is true that the median income of white men more than tripled between 1939 and 1960 (rising from 1,112 dollars to 5,137 dollars), the median income of black men more than quintupled (rising from 460 dollars to 3,075 dollars)
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:42 am to texridder
quote:Solid points, though the derisives weren't necessary.
texridder
The OP question applies to today's society though. Not that of the 1960's.
If we were still living in the US of a half-century ago, harping on institutional racism would not only be warranted, it would be obligatory.
But we aren't living in that era.
In this era, our present era, the accusations of racism broadly directed at nonracist swaths of the populace are not helpful ... at all. In fact, as those accusations increasingly target groups, not for any offensive behavior, but rather based on skin color alone, they themselves are decidedly racist. It is an irony immediately evident to the accused, and not easily forgotten.
Most of your post was respondent to racial economics.
So let's discuss that.
The economics of out-of-wedlock births, and single-parent households are not racist. The economics of truancy are not racist. The economics of delinquency and crime are not racist. The impact of economic dependency or substance addiction is not racist. Yet those are statistically important elements when one is sorting out reasons for social outcomes of individuals or societal subset.
Inefficient or self-destructive behavior has no inherent anchor in skin color. But it does root in cultural self-expectation, and it is furthered by concomitant expectations of cultures –– aka "the soft bigotry of low expectations". Rationalizing underperformance based upon minimally or non-existent "institutional racism" plays to both detriments.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 4:21 am
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:45 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
Because it's vague and hard to disprove
Correct. It's vague enough to be a talking point without having to find any information to back it up as it applies to the modern day.
We all come from advantaged or disadvantaged backgrounds. Some have accumulated wealth, some haven't.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:58 am to texridder
5,000 dollar loans for wheels on a 1,500 dollar car.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 5:38 am to BoyHowdy
quote:
Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
Because it's easier than debating policies.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 7:55 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Japanese Americans were literally placed in camps during World War II, I dont hear that being thrown around as an excuse.
They literally received reparations from the US government.
I was going to say this but you beat me to it. I guess he is arguing for reparations then
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:03 am to xiv
Sounds like you don’t know what one means by “ institutional racism”
We can debate if the great society was meant to help or keep blacks on the plantation. Institutional racism would come in if blacks were left with no alternative. No one has been forced to be on these programs long term, much less for generations.
In 1969 births to unwed mothers for blacks was a horrific 25%. Today whites have that rate. I know of white kids skipping the shotgun wedding because it cheaper to let Uncle Sam pay for the birth. We need to look at what incentives we are promoting. It’s not all about race.
We can debate if the great society was meant to help or keep blacks on the plantation. Institutional racism would come in if blacks were left with no alternative. No one has been forced to be on these programs long term, much less for generations.
In 1969 births to unwed mothers for blacks was a horrific 25%. Today whites have that rate. I know of white kids skipping the shotgun wedding because it cheaper to let Uncle Sam pay for the birth. We need to look at what incentives we are promoting. It’s not all about race.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:04 am to stateofplay
quote:
I guess he is arguing for reparations then
Give every black household a lump payment of 20k, and be done with it.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:13 am to xiv
quote:Never heard of FICO Scores?
Never heard of redlining?
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Give every black household a lump payment of 20k, and be done with it.
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