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re: Are we going to pursue Harrison Barnes? (This is based on nothing)
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:08 am to Townedrunkard
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:08 am to Townedrunkard
Pretty sure I remember Barnes being a possibility and there were people saying that Hill had a chance of producing as well or near as well for cheaper, which would allow us to have Moore as a sixth man off the bench.
Clearly that didn’t work but I don’t think Barnes would have ended up much better given his career trajectory in Dallas and Sacramento.
Clearly that didn’t work but I don’t think Barnes would have ended up much better given his career trajectory in Dallas and Sacramento.
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:09 am to Fun Bunch
And see, I’d gladly overpay him for maybe two years(that way he comes off the books in the next big FA class and gives you a safety valve if Ingram doesn’t fit and commands too high of a contract to retain next offseason), but I suspect he is wise enough to know this is the time to get some team to overpay and do so for 3-4 years, maybe even with a player option.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:11 am to Bronc
Considering he just blew off a $20m option year, yeah I figure he wants to lock in a big long term contract.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:13 am to Fun Bunch
Barnes makes no sense if the goal this season is to figure out if we should pay or trade Ingram. The only starting position open is for a stretch big.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
In the AD era yes, terrible suggestion in this era
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:20 am to Soggymoss
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I think we should stick with who we have at the 3-4
This team 100% needs another forward. I think most people are assuming it will be Dudley.
Barnes at the right price would be an amazing fit imo. He fits everything Griff has mentioned about filling out the roster. Vet leader, Championship pedigree, can run the floor with Zion, has the athleticism to get back and play D in Alvin’s up tempo style. Great floor spacer and he’s still only 27. Perfect 6th man and death lineup 4.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:21 am to dj30
Would you start the following small ball lineup?
Ball/Jrue/Ingram/Barnes/Zion
If we need a center we slide Ingram to the bench and then Okafor or Hayes?
Ball/Jrue/Ingram/Barnes/Zion
If we need a center we slide Ingram to the bench and then Okafor or Hayes?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:22 am to 1ranter1
I’m against signing Barnes.
We have a starters at 1-4, and a 5 that needs minutes. If you sign a big FA, he either better be able to play the 5, including Niko, or he’s a replacement for Lonzo, which I don’t think we are going to do.
It’s just pointless to make any long term big signing with our current roster. Role players only. $20/yr isn’t a role player.
We have a starters at 1-4, and a 5 that needs minutes. If you sign a big FA, he either better be able to play the 5, including Niko, or he’s a replacement for Lonzo, which I don’t think we are going to do.
It’s just pointless to make any long term big signing with our current roster. Role players only. $20/yr isn’t a role player.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:23 am to 1ranter1
which is why he would have been perfect with Davis and the hindsight of summer 2016 is bright enough to burn your retinas. Instead of hill and Moore what if the pels had done that deal for Barnes?
could be an ESPN 30 for 30
could be an ESPN 30 for 30
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:26 am to Fun Bunch
I think Harrison Barnes is an average player. Based on his production he should only get around $17 mil but he just opted out of $25 mil and I'm sure he'll be looking for that & more on the open market. So just based on the fact that I have to way overpay him, I pass
Plus I don't see the benefit of bringing in a guy like him considering we need to make a decision on Brandon Ingram in a year. Give those minutes to BI so you know for sure if he's your SF of the future or not
Plus I don't see the benefit of bringing in a guy like him considering we need to make a decision on Brandon Ingram in a year. Give those minutes to BI so you know for sure if he's your SF of the future or not
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:28 am to Colonel Flagg
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If we need a center we slide Ingram to the bench and then Okafor or Hayes?
Which is the entire problem with considering Barnes. Whether you believe in him or not, Ingram is our starter. We either need to see enough to be happy to give him a big contract, or see so little that we want to trade him to someone else willing to make that bet.
Adding a Barnes level player to the mix gets in the way of the development of a player that could be the centerpiece of the AD trade.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:31 am to TigerinATL
I agree completely but a lot of that would depend on the lineup decisions.
Barnes has shown he can thrive as a low usage player
they’d get some mileage out of zion/Ingram/Barnes front courts I’d bet. Maybe not great all game but man they’d be athletic and fast
Barnes has shown he can thrive as a low usage player
they’d get some mileage out of zion/Ingram/Barnes front courts I’d bet. Maybe not great all game but man they’d be athletic and fast
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:34 am to TigerinATL
yep. And the beauty of the current construction of the team, is that there is a clear peaking order, starting with this is Jrue's team and Zion is the future in waiting. BI is our starter at SF & Lonzo is our starter at PG (probably).
what I want is a clear starter at center (like Dedmon), a guy like Jared Dudley (clear backup to Ingram), and a veteran PG like JJ Barea (clear backup to Lonzo)
there is a clear hierarchy on that team
what I want is a clear starter at center (like Dedmon), a guy like Jared Dudley (clear backup to Ingram), and a veteran PG like JJ Barea (clear backup to Lonzo)
there is a clear hierarchy on that team
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:34 am to cgrand
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which is why he would have been perfect with Davis and the hindsight of summer 2016 is bright enough to burn your retinas. Instead of hill and Moore what if the pels had done that deal for Barnes?
They wanted to but Barnes said no thanks and signed with Dallas. IIRC both Gentry and Barnes confirmed this, at least they confirmed the contact and we know the result. That's another reason the Pels should be in, maybe not Win Now mode, but Win ASAP mode. If the Pels manage to become a consistent playoff team by the time Zion is ready to be an MVP candidate, it will be a lot easier to attract Free Agent and Disgruntled Star help.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:36 am to DeionDeion
Give me Brook/Dudley/George Hill and I'm thrilled
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:45 am to TigerinATL
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Which is the entire problem with considering Barnes. Whether you believe in him or not, Ingram is our starter.
I just figured Barnes is a better 3PT shooter and we would need him to space the floor.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:46 am to TigerinATL
marked improvement on the win total next year is pretty unlikely.
but yes if they could get to 7th or 8th without zion being mega-zion that would be the best case scenario for all involved
Barnes is in a very unique situation like bronc pointed out earlier so he’s getting paid. 4 years of Barnes sounds pretty good to me on a young team but I’m certain the pels would get outbid and a near max is not out of the question
but yes if they could get to 7th or 8th without zion being mega-zion that would be the best case scenario for all involved
Barnes is in a very unique situation like bronc pointed out earlier so he’s getting paid. 4 years of Barnes sounds pretty good to me on a young team but I’m certain the pels would get outbid and a near max is not out of the question
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:47 am to TigerinATL
I don’t think a Barnes signing would take away from Ingram’s minutes. He would be taking minutes from Kenrich/Wood and maybe 3Twaun. Probably some of Jah’s minutes as well since it would allow Zion to play more C.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:48 am to DeionDeion
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there is a clear hierarchy on that team
a great point
I’m not sure a guy like Barnes messes that up though
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:53 am to TigerinATL
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Barnes makes no sense if the goal this season is to figure out if we should pay or trade Ingram.
This is where I am at. It makes no sense to sign him with Ingram on board.
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