re: Supposedly Trump approval is plummeting in Louisiana

if trump says it is a fake poll he must be right....after all, he never lies

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That's assuming they were polling even

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Not really, they could've had Clinton in front by 2-3%, depending on percent of voters polled. Typically they get around 3-4% MOE at 95% confidence, if I remember right.

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Clinton was up 12 points in October in Michigan.

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Before or after Comey's 'surprise'?

Things can happen to change people's opinions.

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Just admit that most polling is garbage these days.

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You do realize the election itself is a poll, right?

Disclaimer: I voted for neither Trump nor Clinton.

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Clinton was up 7 points the week before the election.

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In Michigan alone?

Then they hit the 5% outside of their confidence level in that case. It can happen. It's all just statistics, you can say you don't believe in polls, but then you may as well say you don't believe in statistics.

Don't laugh, I know people who don't believe in statistics - they're all liberals.

It was a very close race, anytime the loser gets more votes than the winner, it's going to be a close race, with some whacky results. It doesn't mean that polling is useless, or lies, it just means when it's extremely close, every margin of error matters.

Ok, you're right, the polls were pretty much correct and within the margin of error

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Ok, you're right, the polls were pretty much correct and within the margin of error

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First, you don't have poll results in your post, you have an analysis of poll results. Second, the analysis doesn't say, "100%", therefore, it is not wrong. Clinton had an 86% chance to win, but still lost. Trump was the long shot that paid off. It happens.

When you bet money on a long shot and it pays off, do you blame the people who set the odds? Or do you just collect your money and laugh all the way to the bank?

Occasionally the house loses, but not in the long run.

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It was a very close race, anytime the loser gets more votes than the winner, it's going to be a close race, with some whacky results. It doesn't mean that polling is useless, or lies, it just means when it's extremely close, every margin of error matters.

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A close victory is still a win. But Trump really should rally in those states where we won by less than 2%. All it would take for him to lose some states is for a good enough Democrat candidate to show up and get people to vote.

The other factor polls dont consider is morale of each party. The GOP were much more motivated after a Democratic presidency. Many Democrats sat out because they underestimated Trump and his constituency heavily.

The election of 2016 should have shown Democrats that many people dont share their values and even some who do only do it until it hurts their wallet.

The Democrats need to stop acting like Hollywood and plan things for how they are, not what they want them to be. People have to hit rock bottom sometimes before they rise from it.

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Many Democrats sat out because...

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...of the red-arse they caught from all the Bernie butthurt.

My ex-wife almost sat it out for that reason.

Not a chance.