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re: Wisconsin police release deadly shooting of police and paramedics trying to help a man
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:50 am to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:50 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:no idea man.
Did he die from a gunshot or did the narcan wear off and he died from that?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:50 am to idlewatcher
Never mind
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:50 am to Ed Osteen
ok this is the last thing I'll say because this is going nowhere.
Again, since you, her, and thousands others all have the disease of addiction, what allows you to now be sober (and I assume working, taking care of life's demands, etc.) and the others to still be using and not giving af? Surely it's not recognizing you're a POS and need to take responsibility for your life... peace
Again, since you, her, and thousands others all have the disease of addiction, what allows you to now be sober (and I assume working, taking care of life's demands, etc.) and the others to still be using and not giving af? Surely it's not recognizing you're a POS and need to take responsibility for your life... peace
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:51 am to FelicianaTigerfan
quote:I have mixed feelings about this. Lets say they let him go and your wife comes along and steps on his toe and he whips out a pistol and shoots her dead. How would you feel if you found out that 20 minutes ago he was ODing on a bus and the police just let him walk on down the street?
Too many times first responders have to convince people they need assistance due to bullshite liability issues.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:53 am to AU_251
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Again, since you, her, and thousands others all have the disease of addiction, what allows you to now be sober (and I assume working, taking care of life's demands, etc.) and the others to still be using and not giving af? Surely it's not recognizing you're a POS and need to take responsibility for your life... peace
The fact that it's a treatable condition? Like I said 2 pages ago and you dismissed out of hand.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:54 am to idlewatcher
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Stupid thing to say.
Looks like to me you are the stupid one considering the upvote/downvote ratio of my post
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:56 am to AU_251
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Surely it's not recognizing you're a POS and need to take responsibility for your life..
Well yeah, that's a part of it It's not that simple though, you can't just wake up and make a change. Again, for someone with an addict in the family, I would think you would understand this,
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:56 am to Ed Osteen
I like your attitude, Ed.
I too care for the lives of the people with addiction, and there’s no question that narcan saves lives.
But do you worry at all about the incentive it creates in the mind of the addict? There’s no question that the use and availability of narcan has emboldened many addicts to push themselves closer and closer to edge of death (and over it) in pursuit of a better high.
I think there is a correlation between the increased use of fentanyl as an additive to heroin and the wider spread use and availability of narcan.
I too care for the lives of the people with addiction, and there’s no question that narcan saves lives.
But do you worry at all about the incentive it creates in the mind of the addict? There’s no question that the use and availability of narcan has emboldened many addicts to push themselves closer and closer to edge of death (and over it) in pursuit of a better high.
I think there is a correlation between the increased use of fentanyl as an additive to heroin and the wider spread use and availability of narcan.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:59 am to Ed Osteen
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and like clockwork, the retards run to downvote me. yeah man, every addict deserves to die. frick saving lives
This country would be a better place, if we just handed out drugs of choice with enough fentanyl to put the addict down permanently. think of all the homelessness, and crime would be reduced if we just started allowing addicts to OD, and pile them up at burn sites.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:59 am to Jimbeaux
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the increased use of fentanyl as an additive to heroin
That has zero to do with the users. That was a decision made by the cartels because they can buy 55 gallon drums of fentanyl from China for pennies on the dollar compared to refined heroin.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:00 am to EarlyCuyler3
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If they choose to OD then let them OD.
quote:Do us a favor and try.
This statement is so dumb and so contradictory I can't think of a smartass reply.
How does this disease of addiction develop? What causes it?
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:01 am to Jimbeaux
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I like your attitude, Ed.
quote:
But do you worry at all about the incentive it creates in the mind of the addict?
Of course, one of my good friends who is sober today got arrested for fighting EMS responders because they killed his high. He would also be dead if they didn't. It's crazy but he's a great guy.
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There’s no question that the use and availability of narcan has emboldened many addicts to push themselves closer and closer to edge of death (and over it) in pursuit of a better high.
The existance of Narcan doesn't do anything to push an addict further. It just saves their lives and gives them second chances. Nobody that's addicted to heroin has done less because they aren't aware of narcan.
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I think there is a correlation between the increased use of fentanyl as an additive to heroin and the wider spread use and availability of narcan.
Fent and Cart are just cheaper fillers to cut heroin with, Narcan has nothing to do with their introductions to the heroin game.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:04 am to Kracka
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This country would be a better place, if we just handed out drugs of choice with enough fentanyl to put the addict down permanently. think of all the homelessness, and crime would be reduced if we just started allowing addicts to OD, and pile them up at burn sites.
That's your opinion. frick you though
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:08 am to ReauxlTide222
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The first time a person tries alcohol or another drug, it’s a voluntary choice. But at some point during use, a switch gets flipped within the brain and the decision to use is no longer voluntary. As the Director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse puts it, it's as if an addicted person's brains has been hijacked. Anyone who tries a substance can become addicted, and research shows that the majority of Americans are at risk of developing addiction. Over 40% of 13–14 year olds, and over 75% of 17–18 year olds, report that they’ve tried alcohol. What’s more, 42% of 17–18 year olds report that they’ve tried illicit drugs.10 After initial exposure, no one chooses how their brain will react to drugs or alcohol. So why do some people develop addiction, while others don’t?
I assume that this is an attempt to try and discredit the medically accepted concept of addiction being a disease.
As to the original point, no one is choosing to OD (aside from planned suicide attempts, which is different.)
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:08 am to Kracka
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This country would be a better place, if we just handed out drugs of choice with enough fentanyl to put the addict down permanently. think of all the homelessness, and crime would be reduced if we just started allowing addicts to OD, and pile them up at burn sites.
Good idea, Adolf.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:10 am to EarlyCuyler3
Why isn't it policy to quickly check people that OD for weapons prior to administering Narcan?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:11 am to VABuckeye
No idea. They were probably just trying to help him as quickly as possible. Sometimes bad shite just happens.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:13 am to Ed Osteen
I’ve seen evidence to the contrary.
The rank and file heroin users aren’t the ones needing narcan. It’s mostly those experimenting, pushing the high farther, using fentanyl for the kick (not just for the cheap), etc.
You see heroin dealers carrying and selling narcan along with their “TNT”, or other designer named high powered mix. It’s part of their “sales tactic”.
The rank and file heroin users aren’t the ones needing narcan. It’s mostly those experimenting, pushing the high farther, using fentanyl for the kick (not just for the cheap), etc.
You see heroin dealers carrying and selling narcan along with their “TNT”, or other designer named high powered mix. It’s part of their “sales tactic”.
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