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Marriage age laws in Louisiana
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:37 pm
Louisiana lawmakers vote against minimum age for marriage
Ok. I'm going to get flak for this one, but please try to understand my perspective even if you disagree.
I realize that adults mature at different rates. But I believe that certain stages of maturity can only be gained with life experiences. That's why I believe 18 should be the minimum age.
How many of us remember what we were like at 16. Most people dont have the appropriate life experiences with other adults or life situations to make a life altering decision that affects them and their spouse. I personally wouldn't stop a teenager from marrying but I'd advise them to seriously consider their life goals.
Before you guys charge at me with : my folks married at 16 and raised 5 kids stories, allow me to elaborate. Earlier eras of American history (world history to be honest) required a faster rate of maturity for several reasons such as:
* Agricultural based society that thrived on the practice of having multiple children to serve as free labor.
* Societal norms in which women were primarily mothers and men were the only source of income via a career.
* Life expectancy and retirement. People before the 1900s were not expected to live as long and die from what today are treatable illnesses. You were also expected to retire earlier in life than what people do today.
* Government involvement via the form of welfare regulations and social programs designed to make single motherhood an economically safe option.
PS: For what it's worth, my grandmother had several children. She was born in the 1930s. She even says that times have changed alot and encouraged her children to get educated and get jobs before settling down.
Ok. I'm going to get flak for this one, but please try to understand my perspective even if you disagree.
I realize that adults mature at different rates. But I believe that certain stages of maturity can only be gained with life experiences. That's why I believe 18 should be the minimum age.
How many of us remember what we were like at 16. Most people dont have the appropriate life experiences with other adults or life situations to make a life altering decision that affects them and their spouse. I personally wouldn't stop a teenager from marrying but I'd advise them to seriously consider their life goals.
Before you guys charge at me with : my folks married at 16 and raised 5 kids stories, allow me to elaborate. Earlier eras of American history (world history to be honest) required a faster rate of maturity for several reasons such as:
* Agricultural based society that thrived on the practice of having multiple children to serve as free labor.
* Societal norms in which women were primarily mothers and men were the only source of income via a career.
* Life expectancy and retirement. People before the 1900s were not expected to live as long and die from what today are treatable illnesses. You were also expected to retire earlier in life than what people do today.
* Government involvement via the form of welfare regulations and social programs designed to make single motherhood an economically safe option.
PS: For what it's worth, my grandmother had several children. She was born in the 1930s. She even says that times have changed alot and encouraged her children to get educated and get jobs before settling down.
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Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:41 pm to volod
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Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:56 pm to volod
quote:
I realize that adults mature at different rates. But I believe that certain stages of maturity can only be gained with life experiences. That's why I believe 18 should be the minimum age.
That's quite a hubris you have on you to think that your opinion should be implemented via the force of law.
I certainly hold values that suggest that getting married under the age of 18 isn't a good thing. I am but one person.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 9:16 pm to volod
Delaying the onset of adulthood is a very recent phenomenon in human history.
100 years ago our ancestors were married at 14, now the 'children ' stay on their parent's insurance until 26.
100 years ago our ancestors were married at 14, now the 'children ' stay on their parent's insurance until 26.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 9:48 pm to volod
You're so full of crap you don't know what you're talking about and don't even know enough to know that.
Retirement??? There was no retirement in the 1900's. You worked till you were unable to work any longer and then hoped either family or friends were able to feed/clothe/shelter you till you died. My Great Grandad was just a week short of 101 when he died in 1953. He had nearly ZERO income the last 15 or 20 years of his life as he was unable to work.
From wikipedia Social Security
401k didn't come about till the 1970's.(1978 signed into law)
Agrarian societies SUFFER from economies of scale. The more all farms/farmers produce the LOWER their incomes as the supply drive the prices down. Farmers literally succeed themselves into bankruptcy. This is why we have Farm Subsidies today. It's to keep farmers from going broke due to their successes. They get paid to NOT farm to retain a price high enough to profit (certain crops/acreages/etc. and only allowed to farm specific amounts of others. One of the famous court cases used against pot growing involves the Commerce Clause, a farmer grew wheat to feed his own livestock, convicted and fined, Wickard v Filburn).
They had large families simply because people are horny and they had no birth control.
quote:Life expectancy was lower due to HIGH infant mortality, talking some years where IM was 50%. Factor half the deaths in a single year were at age 0 and the other half averaged 80 and you've just dropped the total average to about 55. Once out of infancy and toddler years where the immune system developed and an individuals' life expectancy was roughly the same as today.
* Life expectancy and retirement. People before the 1900s were not expected to live as long and die from what today are treatable illnesses. You were also expected to retire earlier in life than what people do today.
Retirement??? There was no retirement in the 1900's. You worked till you were unable to work any longer and then hoped either family or friends were able to feed/clothe/shelter you till you died. My Great Grandad was just a week short of 101 when he died in 1953. He had nearly ZERO income the last 15 or 20 years of his life as he was unable to work.
From wikipedia Social Security
quote:
1937 Ernest Ackerman receives first lump-sum payout (of 17 cents) in January.
1940 First monthly benefit check issued to Ida May Fuller for $22.54
401k didn't come about till the 1970's.(1978 signed into law)
Agrarian societies SUFFER from economies of scale. The more all farms/farmers produce the LOWER their incomes as the supply drive the prices down. Farmers literally succeed themselves into bankruptcy. This is why we have Farm Subsidies today. It's to keep farmers from going broke due to their successes. They get paid to NOT farm to retain a price high enough to profit (certain crops/acreages/etc. and only allowed to farm specific amounts of others. One of the famous court cases used against pot growing involves the Commerce Clause, a farmer grew wheat to feed his own livestock, convicted and fined, Wickard v Filburn).
quote:Know how I know you have no idea of parenthood? You got several years of child expenses and time/effort to get a kid to a labor ready state of being. You think a 6 year old is gonna plow, weed, seed, fertilize, harvest crops, or work in a factory, or a coal mine, all day everyday? Now repeat that by 10 kids. That's a ton of sunken investment to get "free" field hands.
* Agricultural based society that thrived on the practice of having multiple children to serve as free labor.
They had large families simply because people are horny and they had no birth control.
quote:MY mother was born 1938, Dad 1931.
PS: For what it's worth, my grandmother had several children. She was born in the 1930s.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 9:57 pm to volod
Why would people be in a rush to get married? Jesus give the kids some legal protection to ensure peace and serenity in their lives for as long as possible.
The only people who would support this bill are divorce attorneys (they probably are). To them they see marriage as future business, especially when you allow marriage at this young age.
So, I say give the kids peace and serenity for as long as possible. They have the rest of their lives to be miserable.
The only people who would support this bill are divorce attorneys (they probably are). To them they see marriage as future business, especially when you allow marriage at this young age.
So, I say give the kids peace and serenity for as long as possible. They have the rest of their lives to be miserable.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 10:11 pm to Puggymoity
quote:
Know how I know you have no idea of parenthood? You got several years of child expenses and time/effort to get a kid to a labor ready state of being. You think a 6 year old is gonna plow, weed, seed, fertilize, harvest crops, or work in a factory, or a coal mine, all day everyday? Now repeat that by 10 kids. That's a ton of sunken investment to get "free" field hands.
Guess you've never heard of 10 year olds working in coal mines.
Farmers having lots of kids wasn't just because they were horny. I've seen 10 to 12 year olds driving tractors and making hay and it's not uncommon. Hell, was seeing a farm girl back in the late 80's and she worked her arse off. Her dad was pissed he had three girls and just one boy.
Kids are/were feeding cattle by the time they are 6 or 7.
A lot of this has disappeared now as most of the family farms have sold out to the big operations.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 10:14 pm to volod
Not government’s role.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 10:29 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:That's still 6-10 years investment before any ROI at all. How many more before break-even? That's a helluva sunk cost for "free" labor.
Guess you've never heard of 10 year olds working in coal mines.
Farmers having lots of kids wasn't just because they were horny. I've seen 10 to 12 year olds driving tractors and making hay and it's not uncommon. Hell, was seeing a farm girl back in the late 80's and she worked her arse off. Her dad was pissed he had three girls and just one boy.
Kids are/were feeding cattle by the time they are 6 or 7.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 10:39 pm to volod
16 years old? So it's OK to be a pedophile in Louisiana? - poli board idiots like jjbot
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:01 pm to moneyg
quote:
That's quite a hubris you have on you to think that your opinion should be implemented via the force of law.
I did not imply that the force of law was needed to force a decision on when to marry.
If anything I simply disagree with the law. And to be frank, the government shouldn't be overly involved in marriage except for stamping the papers at most.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:07 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:
16 years old? So it's OK to be a pedophile in Louisiana? - poli board idiots like jjbot
Just like liberals, many conservatives dont really think their biases through.
So your okay with a girl marrying at 16. If she is old enough to marry, then she is old enough for sexual advances by older men (I know some girls do this anyway, but their is a social bias against this behavior especially amoungst conservatives).
Also, why cant she do something like drink alchol or smoke? The law effectively is saying "you are an adult at sixteen" while simultaneously saying you are not mature enought to do aforementioned activities.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:31 pm to volod
quote:This is predominantly correct.
And to be frank, the government shouldn't be overly involved in marriage except for stamping the papers at most.
However...
Those who simply know better than the rest of us, yeah, politicians. They had to go and stick their noses in it. Tax it. Regulate it. Codify it.
So now once again, prime example of Govt. causing a problem so that Govt. can then be the savior to fix the problem.
The real solution is for govt. to NOT be a part of marriage in any way, shape, form, nor fashion. Take it out of registration, out of the tax codes, just OUT. Leave marriage a civil, social, religious thing only and the law regarding marriage be: keep it out of the courts and out of the govt..
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:37 pm to volod
Love is love.
The SCOTUS establishes the universal right to marry. Let’s get this teenage marriage party started.
The SCOTUS establishes the universal right to marry. Let’s get this teenage marriage party started.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:03 am to volod
quote:
. I personally wouldn't stop a teenager from marrying but I'd advise them to seriously consider their life goals.
Why?
Kids shouldn't be getting married.
Have you seen our teenage culture lately? Not the smartest cookies in the box.
And that's basically most teenagers...for all time.
Nobody knows anything at 16 about the world or love. You shouldn't marry at the age of puppy-love. You should marry at the age of adult love with and an adult brain which has lived a little and has an inkling of what they want out of life before they've foreclosed what they might want just a few years later but now it's too late...because your parents didn't counsel you well enough to not make a juvenile impulse decision...when everything is SO important at the H.S. age and everything is life and death despite how trivial.
There's a reason people under 18 have guardians and aren't let loose to do as they please.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:09 am to volod
The reason why kids are allowed to marry at 16 (with either parental approval or emancipation) is so that they can marry in the event of a teen pregnancy and give that child the best shot at being raised in a stable situation. If you’re old enough to f$&k, you’re old enough to accept the consequences of f$&king and concieving a child and attempt to raise it right. Marriage is the key to building wealth and creating a stable environment for children. It is the most efficient means of sharing and pooling resources. That is why socialists are destroying marriage. Without marriage, poor mothers must depend on the state, and the state controls their lives.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:15 am to kingbob
quote:
Marriage is the key to building wealth
lulz
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:18 am to wookalar1013
You can laugh all you want, but there is a century’s worth of economic data that proves it. The nuclear family is simply the most efficient division of pabor scheme possible for supporting a family with children.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:27 am to kingbob
quote:
You can laugh all you want, but there is a century’s worth of economic data that proves it. The nuclear family is simply the most efficient division of pabor scheme possible for supporting a family with children.
best of luck with your pabor scheme
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:44 am to volod
quote:
And to be frank, the government shouldn't be overly involved in marriage except for stamping the papers at most
But when you can have a beer or smoke a cig is cool?
But life changing decisions and often statutory rape the government should let people just do as they please?
Until beer and cigs is allowed at any age, including toddlers...and we as a society say...the government shouldn't be in the business of protecting against youthful harm, age doesn't matter, then your argument would only carry water.
I think it's the opposite of what you're arguing. It's crazy you can't have a beer until 21 but you can marry at 16. You can't smoke until 18 but you can marry at 16.
What the frick kind of priorities is that?
Drinking and smoking is way worse than having teenagers having sex with older men - and it's kosher because they're married?
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