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re: PSST!!! IB90proof... It's been over a year.. Tariffs have no effect on consumers so far

Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by PickupAutist
Member since Sep 2018
3022 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:23 pm to
The reason the pro Chicom, anti-tariff crowd should quit being fat blubbering pussies all day is summed up well in this image.



Looking at that, who do you think has the better positions and options in this war?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:38 pm to
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There is so much spin in that article.

you saw the domain name right?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:39 pm to
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Nobody is babbling

you said some weird shite about HRC insertion of meanie head or some such nonsense
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:47 pm to
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I see you don’t mention why which is a probably a good strategy for you considering how unpersuasive it is for your position.

The reason why is that they apparently didn't find the threat of 25% compelling enough to agree to those demands, period. Which is also why the meetings yesterday didn't prevent it.

Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28195 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:07 pm to
I would welcome an empirical study from a non-union think tank or legitimately unbiased academic source if that exists, not some dipshit moron brandishing Campbell's soup cans on TV or some Breitbart assclown compiling a few anecdotal "data points."

You may not see it, but it's happening, with some companies better positioned to handle it than others. The effect on consumers may be de minimis ceteris paribus, I don't know. I don't even know definitively if the outcome is a net positive or negative for the U.S. economy and its investors when the dust all settles. That said, all I can go off of is what I know, and I do know that tariffs are generally more harmful than not.

The unfortunate truth is that when you pick winners and losers in this fashion, you have a very real impact on American industrial outfits and yes their workers. While some are able to pass on customers and possibly even push price (and eventually consumers), it's compressing margins for many other manufacturers downstream of the commodities the tariffs are inflating, which is the primary reason, I would argue, why the stock market is responding the way it generally has been in response to trade war news (negatively).
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 4:10 pm
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:12 pm to
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I would welcome an empirical study from a non-union think tank or legitimately unbiased academic source if that exists, not some dipshit moron brandishing Campbell's soup cans on TV or some Breitbart assclown compiling a few anecdotal "data points."

LINK

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Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
35079 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:17 pm to
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tariffs do no screw them as much?. 


Are you Chinese?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
50518 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:25 pm to
I really get a kick out of you clowns that can't see more than a month or two down the road on this. Trump has said from the beginning he is for fair trade.

China is not and they will pay the price until they bend the knee.

Once they do, the tariffs will go away.

And for all the doom and gloom you spout, the markets haven't moved much at all the past couple days. And even over the week it was not a huge drop by any means. Tariffs on chinese imports are not going to sink the economy and will have a minimal effect on us.

It will hammer China however.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53546 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:30 pm to
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not some dip shite moron brandishing Campbell's soup cans on TV or some Breitbart assclown compiling a few anecdotal "data points."



Well the "moron" is right and that proof is in the numbers in the article.

Breitbart didn't compile the numbers. That would be The Department of Labor. It's an ASSCLOWN(that's you) that's attacking the messenger and not looking at the content and the links to that information that was RELEASED BY THE DEPT OF LABOR.

Here.. allow me to quote that for you :

The Department of Labor said Friday that its consumer price index was up just 2.0 percent compared with a year ago, indicating that prices are not rising particularly quickly. The Federal Reserve says it targets 2 percent inflation, although it uses a different measure of prices.


But that's just, you know, facts...

Let me guess... "BREITBART AS BAD AS ORANGE MAN!

Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:47 pm to
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full pass-thru to consumer in the case of the washing machine ones, and a matching price increase on dryers, which aren't even tariffed




You know you are painted in a corner when your only response is the price of a fricking washing machine went up.




Cry me a river.
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:49 pm to
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Which means "after we screwed the American washing machine consumers badly our new new tariffs do no screw them as much?.




More washing machine talk.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53546 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:57 pm to
YES!!! A total of about 6 DOLLARS per year through the life of the machine...


Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29197 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:02 pm to
IB Chinaman is such an intellectual fraud. He could teach an econ 101 class, but that's about it.

"Hur Dur all taxes are bad mkay! Let China do whatever they want, even tariff us and implement a variety of trade barriers, but as long as our tariffs on China are zero then I'm taking the 'free market' position! Hur dur!".
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:09 pm to
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You know you are painted in a corner when your only response is the price of a fricking washing machine went up.


that was a specific tariff, and there's its specific impact.

and you'd have to have a mental disability that is exotic indeed to somehow not see the several other points in that post addressing other tariffs and/or the "deal" resulting from them

Posted by pickle311
Liberty Hill TX
Member since Sep 2008
1061 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:47 pm to
It may not be blatantly obvious to the consumer, but the increase is there in some markets. My wife is in sales, they just notified their customers today there is a 12% price increase across the board due to the tariffs, this is their 2nd double digit price increase this year as a result.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:40 pm to
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$1.4 billion reduction in real US income per month in 2018 due to the other china tariffs
here comes the asperger's crew recycling arguments i've already debunked multiple times. would you like me to remind you why your statement is dumb?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
50518 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:42 pm to
Just do it.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:31 pm to
there was already pain from ip theft. these 2 halfwits keep blabbering on about episodic instances of the tariffs causing pain. therefore, orange man bad. nevermind that the chinese keep stealing ip from us businesses. oh and sidenote, chini happens to be a military threat.

but muh washing machines!
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:37 pm to
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nevermind that the chinese keep stealing ip from us businesses.
See my problem is that companies largely decided to take on this risk knowing the consequences, and the US government did not force them into it. On the other hand, anyone impacted by the tariffs had it forced on them by the US government.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:53 pm to
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companies largely decided to take on this risk knowing the consequences, and the US government did not force them into it.
it's baffling why the crew keeps recycling already refuted points. you're basically saying "we know your ip got stolen but, well, china." that doesn't make it right. they entered into an agreement. china should honor the agreement and when they don't, there should be consequences. this is just plain common sense. it shouldn't have to be explained.

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anyone impacted by the tariffs had it forced on them by the US government
THERE WAS ALREADY IMPACT TO THE US DUE TO IP THEFT.

my word you people have asperger's syndrome
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