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Posted on 5/4/19 at 2:37 pm to Purplengoldtigerfan
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btw if you think umpires are watching the shoulders of a pitcher in hs,ncaa or mlb your severly mis informed
Oh really? Well explain to me what they are watching smart guy? Because I promise. I know what the hell im talking about. You clearly don’t. For the last 3 days you have been over here talking nonsense.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 2:44 pm to Purplengoldtigerfan
Im looking for 5 tickets for tonights baseball
Posted on 5/4/19 at 2:48 pm to LSU FAMILY
quote:Dequincy had one like that in the 80’s.
Caught for a left handed pitcher in high school that had best pick off motion I’ve ever seen. Would pick his right leg straight up and just pause in that position without leaning toward 1st or home. He could go either direction without a change in motion. Picked off many a runners and held others so close that there were very few steal attempts.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 4:08 pm to tigerfoot
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left handed pitcher in high school that had best pick off motion I’ve ever seen. Would pick his right leg straight up and just pause in that position without leaning toward 1st or home.
And he balked every time.
Yeah, no.
That's not a balk for a left handed pitcher. A balk in that situation means you have to make a move to home plate but not deliver a pitch.
ETA: There's a reason it's easier to steal on right handed pitchers than left handed. The moment a right handers lead foot moves they have nowhere to go but home.
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 5/4/19 at 5:33 pm to RB10
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The moment a right handers lead foot moves they have nowhere to go but home.
Not correct. He can go to third or second.
And technically he can go to second with only a runner on first if that runner is deemed, in the opinion of the umpires, to be truly attempting to steal second. I’ve never seen that happen, but it’s 100% legal.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 5:38 pm to Meauxjeaux
For my downvoter, P can throw to any base for the purpose of making a play at that base.
Throwing to a lead base rarely ever happens, but it’s legal.
Throwing to a lead base rarely ever happens, but it’s legal.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 5:52 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Not correct. He can go to third or second.
We were talking about Josh Smith's situation, and like you said, no one is ever going to spin move to 2nd with a runner just on 1st.
So, given what we were talking about, the moment the pitchers lead foot moved, and he threw behind Smith, it was a balk.
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 5/4/19 at 6:12 pm to LSU FAMILY
No question it was a balk. Blatant.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 6:18 pm to Meauxjeaux
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he can go to second with only a runner
Who in the hell would do that?
Posted on 5/4/19 at 6:19 pm to Purplengoldtigerfan
Really not sure how anyone can argue that wasn’t a balk. It was about as blatant as any balk you’re ever going to see.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 6:28 pm to Purplengoldtigerfan
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Who in the hell would do that?
I'm pretty sure if a pitcher spun and threw to 2nd and the runner clearly wasn't trying to advance that would be a balk.
I'm not going to argue over it though because, like you said, no one ever does it.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 6:33 pm to JPLSU1981
It was a balk. Flinched his front foot then picked to first. Front foot moves first, have to go home, back foot moves 1st, picking off. Classic “balk move” by right handed pitchers. They also taught to use it once cause after that you will not get away with it a second time.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 7:32 pm to LSU FAMILY
DEFINITE balk. Smith didn't move because the pitcher committed to deliver a pitch or go anywhere but first, so Smith had no reason to get back to the bag. That's why the pitcher going to first instead of delivering the pitch was a balk. Runners with leads have no chance if the pitcher can fake them out, as we saw.
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 5/4/19 at 8:39 pm to RB10
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I'm pretty sure if a pitcher spun and threw to 2nd and the runner clearly wasn't trying to advance that would be a balk.
Yes that’s a balk.
But if the runner is deemed to have intended to steal, its a legal play.
As I said, I’ve never seen it but it’s the rule.
Let’s say a pitcher lifts, hears the dugout call ‘runner’, turns to second, and throws. The runner moves halfway to second, sees the attempt to throw to second, stops and goes back to first. That is not a balk.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:50 pm to Purplengoldtigerfan
if your an umpire and your watching the shoulders of a pitcher only, then your arent an umpire at any level of hs or above....the shoulders will be in the vision of the umpire(all umpires in fact) but behind the plate he watches the pitcher for anything dysfunctional with runners on first, his engagement to preset, to set and delivery,
...ill use positions of an umpire crew instead of a 2,3 or 4 man crew because the rules are all the same(righty on mound) ... an "A" position umpire can only watch his preset, set from the lead foot to the pivot foot(left foot shows air and he picks 1st a balk like last night, the A position has that direct angle and should have called it, possibly B also), from the B position, he can basically see the same thing as the A positon with a runner on first, from c or d he can see everything from the front side of a righty, coming set ect. ,make positive he is pausing during his set, much like the plate will...moving your shoulder accidently while using checks or head kicks is so rec ball or 10 dbl A ball in usssa kids lol..and is a sign the coach is somebodys dad who hasnt taught the kid any correct fundamentals or mechanics on the mound... lol...if a shoulder moves while set the b or c position umpire will easily pick it up, even the plate as that illegal move or dysfunctional move is in the periphery of the umpire but to say umpires focus on the shoulders is ummm rec ball shite...sorry bro....true story
...ill use positions of an umpire crew instead of a 2,3 or 4 man crew because the rules are all the same(righty on mound) ... an "A" position umpire can only watch his preset, set from the lead foot to the pivot foot(left foot shows air and he picks 1st a balk like last night, the A position has that direct angle and should have called it, possibly B also), from the B position, he can basically see the same thing as the A positon with a runner on first, from c or d he can see everything from the front side of a righty, coming set ect. ,make positive he is pausing during his set, much like the plate will...moving your shoulder accidently while using checks or head kicks is so rec ball or 10 dbl A ball in usssa kids lol..and is a sign the coach is somebodys dad who hasnt taught the kid any correct fundamentals or mechanics on the mound... lol...if a shoulder moves while set the b or c position umpire will easily pick it up, even the plate as that illegal move or dysfunctional move is in the periphery of the umpire but to say umpires focus on the shoulders is ummm rec ball shite...sorry bro....true story
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:51 pm to Meauxjeaux
i only thought that was major league rules not hs or ncaa?
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:54 pm to RB10
Right? I mean a pitchers mindset for a pickoff would be throwing to first. I’m with you though pretty sure it would be a balk.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:58 pm to sharkfhin
Your using the rules from little league? Gosh dang your dumb! Good day. Whoever sees the balk calls it.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:59 pm to Purplengoldtigerfan
you are correct that when the left foot of a right handed pitcher gets air you jump into your steal or secondary lead....josh did neither on the pick ,, his eyes drifted and he got busted and the umpires missed the call....
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