re: But She Hit Me First! ETA: NEW PIC IN OP

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You might as well be arguing with yourself at this point

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I don't know, y'all sure do seem triggered. Y'all just can't help yourselves. Y'all are responding to every single one of my posts.

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Stfu dude, you are pathetic

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Ugh. Right in the feels.

Will you two just get a room and frick already? Jeez. Get off this thread.

Imagine that, nobody likes the fricking clown lunchbox on the ot either.
Shocked

I didn’t even read the thread nerd.
Just the post I replied to.

what are we fighting about?

also, why did the guy feel the need to draw his weapon?

That guy needs his fricking arse kicked. What a fricking pussy

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So if someone does something illegal to me, I get to do something illegal to them back and only one of our charges will stick?

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She could have stabbed him and I would have allowed it.

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nola000

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yYou are quite simply stunning. How is it that I've never noticed your posts before? And why couldn't that happened five years from now?

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That’s not “the truth”. It’s just the debatable mantra of the self-defense movement.

And you misstated it anyway. You shoot to stop the threat, not to kill.

Either way, it’s not “the truth”; cops use their weapons as intimidation factors all the time. It would be ludicrous to tell cops they are supposed to “shoot to kill” every time they draw their weapon.
It’s ludicrious to tell average joes that, too.

People should be very very judicious about when to draw their weapon and very very judicious about when to put a bunch of rounds center mass into a person. We can assume that there is often no discernible delay between the two decisions, but we can’t assume that it’s always simultaneous.

If you disagree, just give me a True/False on this proposition.
If drawing your weapon causes a lethal threat (what you perceived it to be, at the time you drew your weapon) to retreat and cease being reasonably seen as a lethal threat, you should not then shoot to kill the now non-lethal threat.

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You make some good points but I don't think my opinion changes. Substitute "humble opinion" for "truth" and I still stand behind what I said. The reason, and I feel like this is implied, is that you don't pull out a gun unless you feel like your life is in danger, and at that point the intent is to use lethal force to neutralize that threat. I don't think it's fair to compare that type of scenario which most should hopefully never have to face to what a law enforcement officer would encounter in the course of their job.

In this case, I don't think the unarmed woman was a lethal threat, I don't think the guy was "very very" judicious about when he drew his weapon, and I don't think it did anything to de-escalate the situation.