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It's Time to Talk About Jayson
Posted on 3/30/19 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 7:54 pm
So, the question used to be: Is he too good for Boston to include in the trade?
Now, I find myself asking: Would I get excited about him being the best part of a trade package for AD?
Takes a lot of mid range shots, doesn't get to the line. His catch and shoot 3 was great last year and above avg this year but force him to dribble or create it for himself and its not good. Good rebounder but doesn't really create offense for his teammates. Solid defender but nothing to write how about.
Yes, I know he just turned 21 but I think it is fair to ask whether people still think he can be a stud. A future MVP candidate. Or, is his ceiling closer to a guy who is a 1 or 2 time All Star in the league? Or even lower than that?
I know he looked good in the playoffs last year, but we remember highlights like his dunk of LBJ. In reality, his numbers weren't that great and his 3pt shooting was pretty bad. The East was awful last year compared to this year, as Milwaukee and Philly just weren't ready yet. Needed a few more pieces. And those Cavs probably wouldn't make the playoffs in the West.
Curious what others think, because I have been watching a lot of Tatum this year and have rarely been impressed
Now, I find myself asking: Would I get excited about him being the best part of a trade package for AD?
Takes a lot of mid range shots, doesn't get to the line. His catch and shoot 3 was great last year and above avg this year but force him to dribble or create it for himself and its not good. Good rebounder but doesn't really create offense for his teammates. Solid defender but nothing to write how about.
Yes, I know he just turned 21 but I think it is fair to ask whether people still think he can be a stud. A future MVP candidate. Or, is his ceiling closer to a guy who is a 1 or 2 time All Star in the league? Or even lower than that?
I know he looked good in the playoffs last year, but we remember highlights like his dunk of LBJ. In reality, his numbers weren't that great and his 3pt shooting was pretty bad. The East was awful last year compared to this year, as Milwaukee and Philly just weren't ready yet. Needed a few more pieces. And those Cavs probably wouldn't make the playoffs in the West.
Curious what others think, because I have been watching a lot of Tatum this year and have rarely been impressed
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:27 pm to BetOnIt
If he is “too good” to be in the trade, then they don’t get Davis. The end.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:32 pm to teke184
Did you read the post or just the first sentence or two?
Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:34 pm to BetOnIt
I think this lackluster year for Jayson will help with the trade and give us the ability to get more assests from Boston. He hasn’t made that jump that people were expecting this year from him.
Honestly his play makes me consider a knicks deal more and more depending on their pick with Knox and Robinson
Honestly his play makes me consider a knicks deal more and more depending on their pick with Knox and Robinson
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:37 pm to Macintosh
I don't care if I am getting "value"... I want really good players. I don't want a bunch of B and C stuff. I would have been fine getting one A thing and 1 or 2 C pieces. And the belief 8 months ago was that Tatum was an 'A' prospect and piece. Now, I am not so sure.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:52 pm to BetOnIt
I've brought this up around here too, and got flamed for it. Seems like everybody but Pelicans' fans have theses questions about Tatum, including Boston fans.
Listen to the last months-worth of the Simmons-Russillo podcast, they mention how worried they are about him every week. Along with the issues you mentioned, they also mention his poor ballhandling a lot.
Whether people want to acknowledge it or not, before Ingram went down he was playing better ball than we've ever seen Tatum play. Seems like sticking it to the Lakers has been as important to some fans as doing whats best for the Pelicans.
I'd still take the Boston offer over the Lakers', but Tatum's regression should be a real conversation.
Listen to the last months-worth of the Simmons-Russillo podcast, they mention how worried they are about him every week. Along with the issues you mentioned, they also mention his poor ballhandling a lot.
Whether people want to acknowledge it or not, before Ingram went down he was playing better ball than we've ever seen Tatum play. Seems like sticking it to the Lakers has been as important to some fans as doing whats best for the Pelicans.
I'd still take the Boston offer over the Lakers', but Tatum's regression should be a real conversation.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:52 pm to BetOnIt
double post
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:54 pm to eyeran
If the Lakers had the best offer, fans would be fine with trading him there. I don't think anybody prioritizes "sticking it to the Lakers" -- its just a bonus.
Honestly, I can see multiple teams beating even Boston's best offer depending on how the lotto falls. As for the Lakers, I honestly like a Clippers package more than a Lakers one, unless the Lakers get a top 2 pick.
Honestly, I can see multiple teams beating even Boston's best offer depending on how the lotto falls. As for the Lakers, I honestly like a Clippers package more than a Lakers one, unless the Lakers get a top 2 pick.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 8:54 pm to BetOnIt
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one A thing and 1 or 2 C pieces.
the A thing is crucial in this trade.
if Tatum or the stud draft pick is not that the pels are screwed and jrue will be bye bye
Posted on 3/30/19 at 9:08 pm to BetOnIt
quote:
I don't care if I am getting "value"... I want really good players. I don't want a bunch of B and C stuff. I would have been fine getting one A thing and 1 or 2 C pieces. And the belief 8 months ago was that Tatum was an 'A' prospect and piece. Now, I am not so sure.
Guess what? There are no certainties. He's good enough to be a part of the package for Davis. Unless you're getting the #1 or #2 overall pick in the draft from some other team, any other draft pick is basically a crapshoot.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 9:08 pm to cgrand
I don't think any of the picks Boston sends will be that good. The Memphis pick is still top-6 protected next year and I think they will only get better moving forward. I would think its far more likely their 2021 pick is in the 13-18 range than it is top 4.
The Clippers and Kings picks this year aren't good. Brown will have to be (over)paid soon and Smart is fine. That sounds a lot like the Lakers package - a bunch of okay stuff that is bound to be overpaid soon and some average to bad picks
Starting to feel like the only hope here is draft lotto night and the teams who get #1 and/or #2 being willing to send that pick for AD with some other stuff.
The Clippers and Kings picks this year aren't good. Brown will have to be (over)paid soon and Smart is fine. That sounds a lot like the Lakers package - a bunch of okay stuff that is bound to be overpaid soon and some average to bad picks
Starting to feel like the only hope here is draft lotto night and the teams who get #1 and/or #2 being willing to send that pick for AD with some other stuff.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 9:08 pm to BetOnIt
I’m not concerned. Irving is the exact opposite of a PG that gets his teammates involved and elevates their play. I’m much more intrigued by the version of Tatum where he’s a focal point of the offense.
It’s not surprising to me at all a 2nd year player would struggle trying to find a role on that team.
It’s not surprising to me at all a 2nd year player would struggle trying to find a role on that team.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 9:22 pm to BetOnIt
quote:There are definitely people on this board who have said this, though.
If the Lakers had the best offer, fans would be fine with trading him there. I don't think anybody prioritizes "sticking it to the Lakers" -- its just a bonus.
quote:A Clippers offer would be my nightmare. I can't possibly have SGA as the best piece in an Anthony Davis trade. Can't do it. And there's no reason for us to actually believe that 2021 pick will be as good as people think.
I honestly like a Clippers package more than a Lakers one, unless the Lakers get a top 2 pick.
Riley has never shown a willingness to tank in Miami. And there's even less reason for him to do so in a year without a draft pick. They'll be hovering around 5-8 in the East just like they always are, imo.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 9:26 pm to eyeran
Us and the Knicks getting the first two picks would make this so much easier
Posted on 3/30/19 at 9:27 pm to eyeran
Clippers package would also feature actual good players who are good now. I know its always about the prospects and the picks and the future. But it would be nice to have Montrezl Harrell on this team. Gimme Lou Will and/or Shamet. And then yes, those picks for the future. So I can have a quality team now with SGA and my picks developing.
That sounds way better to me than getting a guy who is one blod clot away from retiring, a crappy PG with an arse hole father, a black hole in Kuzma and bad picks
That sounds way better to me than getting a guy who is one blod clot away from retiring, a crappy PG with an arse hole father, a black hole in Kuzma and bad picks
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:09 pm to BetOnIt
SGA and Montrez wouldn’t be bad. I’d still pick the knicks tho
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:34 pm to WB504
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Interesting read on Tatum. A couple executives compared him to Melo saying he needs the ball in his hands to be successful. Also called him more of a complimentary piece.
He’s essentially a rookie all over again this season. Not only did his role increase in the playoffs, so did Brown, Smart, Horford, Rozier etc. it’s not like he’s the only one having trouble finding his role on that team now.
He took 6 shots the other night. 6. That’s not “needing the ball”. That’s being as much of a focal point as Solomon Hill or Kenrich Williams on offense. There are plenty of very good players that would put up less efficient numbers in such a reduced role.
I just am not concerned at all about Tatum. He’ll be fine.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:48 pm to BetOnIt
If the rest of the Celtics looked in sync and Tatum was the odd man out, I'd be concerned. But that whole team is disjointed right now. I'm totally nonplussed about Tatum. He's still the best prospect and putting AD in the East remains my prefered option if the players we acquire are pretty even.
That said...unless the Knicks don't get in the top 3 at all next month, they remain my #1 choice to deal AD to.
That said...unless the Knicks don't get in the top 3 at all next month, they remain my #1 choice to deal AD to.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:06 pm to BetOnIt
quote:Outside of someone getting the #1 or #2 pick in the draft (and be willing to trade it for AD), what asset(s) could you see anyone offering for AD that you would consider an "A" asset if Tatum is not that?
I don't care if I am getting "value"... I want really good players. I don't want a bunch of B and C stuff. I would have been fine getting one A thing and 1 or 2 C pieces. And the belief 8 months ago was that Tatum was an 'A' prospect and piece. Now, I am not so sure.
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