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re: Is the scuttling of Operation Northwoods by JFK a valid assassination theory?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:13 pm to JPinLondon
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:13 pm to JPinLondon
Explain mob associate Jack Ruby whacking Oswald. I’ll wait
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Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:18 pm to Bulldogblitz
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Oswald is a sharpshooter. he shoots at Walker while walker is sitting in his dining room at a desk - stationary target. hits walker in his arm (was it), failed attempt. Kennedy, the moving target, gets a headshot kill, and gets multiple shots off in the process.
to quote the O-T.. assassinations are trashy - but much like you first time having sex... its not always your best. You get better the more you do it!
Seriously, the amount of subtle factors, nervousness included, value-of-target, night-time vs. day, hiding in a yard level with target vs. perched on the high-ground... the difference in outcome is plausible, and to me, hardly noteworthy.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:20 pm to NIH
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Explain mob associate Jack Ruby whacking Oswald. I’ll wait
his timeline ALONE excludes him from important consideration. Let me guess.. you know nothing of his timeline the morning he shot Oswald.
Do yourself a favor and explore that. Hint: I summarized it on this thread
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:23 pm to JPinLondon
why does ruby's incidental information exclude him from being part of a bigger story while other incidental information remain well... incidental?
just asking questions. always like the topic as it's got better legs than other conspiracy theories.
just asking questions. always like the topic as it's got better legs than other conspiracy theories.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:24 pm to dpd901
I saw an interview with Oswalds brother a while back. He has zero doubt that his brother killed Kennedy. He said Oswald was the type of guy that if the entire world had been communist, he would have been a free market capitalists. He was also the type of guy who would tell you the sky was purple if you told him it was blue. He was a contrarian
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:25 pm to Champagne
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JFK did various things to piss off the CIA
Another thing worth considering is why his brother was assassinated.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:29 pm to Bulldogblitz
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why does ruby's incidental information exclude him from being part of a bigger story while other incidental information remain well... incidental?
just asking questions. always like the topic as it's got better legs than other conspiracy theories.
That's fine my friend. I find this fascinating. I sortof understand your queston… but maybe I don't.
Jack Ruby's Sunday morning timeline is such that if someone hired (or coerced or directed) him to eliminate the patsy, they sure hired a dumbass or incompetent person, just based on his activities.
I guess I am saying those facts are not incidental to the conspiracy... they all but prove no conspiracy involving Ruby.
Ask me again, if I missed your point.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:29 pm to JPinLondon
Where is that timeline from? Looks awfully nice and with a bow tie on top
Further, what would his motivation be ?
Further, what would his motivation be ?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:30 pm to zatetic
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Another thing worth considering is why his brother was assassinated.
I'm not sure, but, Bobby Kennedy was the AG that vigorously went after The Mob, so, the Mob was quite pissed off at RFK, as well as JFK.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:34 pm to NIH
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Where is that timeline from? Looks awfully nice and with a bow tie on top
see, this is where the conspiracy theorists become impossible to argue with...
ok you are right, that the Western Union time-stamp on the bill Ruby paid for the stripper is fake, planted by the CIA that evening, thus proving that he was downtown in-time for the announced prisoner transfer (which was delayed).
In fact, the person who planted the fake Western Union receipt was NONE OTHER than LBJ himself!
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:36 pm to NIH
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Explain mob associate Jack Ruby whacking Oswald. I’ll wait
Ruby thought he would be lauded as the guy that killed the guy that killed Kennedy. From his statements, it sounds like he actually believed they would carry him out of the police station on their shoulders, Rudy style, victorious.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:39 pm to troyt37
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:42 pm to JPinLondon
You really think the mob never made a paper trail before?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:42 pm to JPinLondon
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- a miss
- a non-fatal hit
- a kill-shot
I think the first shot was the throat shot, possibly fatal in the long run
second shot was a miss,
third shot ended it.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 4:28 pm to dpd901
quote:Actually, they point to anything but.
The forensics and ballistics all point to 3 shots
We know there was a shot that missed wildly and hit a curb near the overpass.
We know one shot hit the limo's upper windshield frame just to the right of the rearview mirror.
We know a projectile, possibly a ricochet from the frame impact, cracked the windshield to the left (driver's side) of the rearview mirror.
We know this limo damage is not d/t the magic bullet.
A headshot trajectory from the TSBD sixth floor does not align with the limo impact either.
For that matter, though the magic bullet shot actually does align JFK and Connally, it does not align at the steep 6th floor TSBD angle.
This picture was published by the Saturday Evening Post on the weekend of November 23-24, 1963. It was filmed during a reconstruction of the assassination by the Secret Service for the eventual Warren Commission. However, whereas all the TSBD angles were presented to the WC, somehow this one never was.
In the Saturday Evening Post piece, this photo was claimed to be the view from the shooter's location. But clearly the picture was taken from the Dal-Tex Building just across Houston St. Not the TSBD. The angle of fire is directly back to front allowing a perfect trajectory to tag JFK and Connally with the first shot. In the wider view they published one can see the corner bricks on the TSBD building on the right side of the photo. Their source for this photo apparently did not believe the shots had come from the 6th floor of the TSBD but from a lower trajectory.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 4:32 pm to NC_Tigah
Here is the TSBD view of the first shot (magic bullet) with the red arrow delineating obligatory trajectory.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 4:49 pm to Champagne
Depending on who you think the Mob is he went for them or bigger political targets.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 5:12 pm to TeLeFaWx
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How many views does it have on YouTube? 4 million?
8 now, lol
Posted on 3/4/19 at 5:25 pm to JPinLondon
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NOTHING that does anything but prove the most obvious and likely series of events are VERY similar to the Warren Commission's report.
A report that still has redactions over a half-century later. You have to consider the possibility that the Warren Commission "took the easy way out".
Could you imagine the fury of the American people if the Warren Commission Report read like the script from JFK?
As a member of the commission would you not have any concern that the same organization that just assassinated the POTUS in broad daylight might stuff a member of your family in a 55-gallon drum filled with concrete, should you show dissent in toting the party line?
I saw the doc on AE that showed how it was possible that LHO, with that rifle and cartridge, could have made the shots, but the docs that show how it was impossible are just as compelling.
The choice made on sole-shooter vs conspiracy, to me, can't be made with how the bullets hit the target, but rather the weight of intangible evidence in terms of means and motive. It was awfully convenient for plethora of powerful politicians, three-letter agencies, and the mob, that a lone communist assassin who upon capture denied upon with vigor that he had committed the act, eliminated a threat to their plans or operations. Then less than 48 hours later, the assassin is himself executed.
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 5:40 pm
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