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re: Nearly Half of All US Families Have Zero Retirement Savings
Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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we already have a basic income payment (that pays more than UBI will) for retired people. what does UBI have to do with people not saving?
Social security is a terrible ROI for poor people. They do not have access to investing tools such as an S&P 500 index and year over year SS growth greatly underperforms the index.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:42 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Social security is a terrible ROI for poor people.
I'm not sure how UBI will be any different.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:03 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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They do not have access to investing tools such as an S&P 500 index
this is a lie
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and year over year SS growth greatly underperforms the index.
and making a universal version of SS will magically avoid this issue
and SS pays more than UBI will and exists for retired people. you still haven't said why UBI is applicable to your "retirement" OP
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:05 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:Its a terrible ROI for everyone. The more you put in the worse it gets. Who puts in the most? Poor people or "rich" people?
Social security is a terrible ROI for poor people.
quote:What is the minimum income requirement to purchase an SP500 index fund?
They do not have access to investing tools such as an S&P 500 index
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:06 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:I would be satisfied if the government just gave me back what I've put into Social Security without interest. I'll just consider it having been my patriotic duty to give them an interest free loan.
Social security is a terrible ROI for poor people. They do not have access to investing tools such as an S&P 500 index and year over year SS growth greatly underperforms the index.
So when you say that they "do not have access" to investing in the S&P 500 do you literally mean that? Because, if so, you're a dumbass.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:12 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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They do not have access to investing tools such as an S&P 500 index and year over year SS growth greatly underperforms the index
In what world do they not have access to this?
Fun snippets for thought:
Average price of a pack of cigarettes in LA is $5.44 source.
Cost of 365 packs: $1985.60. While I understand savings of $150 monthly aren't feasible for a fair amount of people, it is still, I believe, a very reasonable amount based on the number of people who do smoke a pack per day in very low income brackets.
S&P 500, which every single person who puts away $5/d (and even less) has access to, has returned relative to 2015:
~11% over 30 years
9.85% over 20
7.67% over 10 (2005-2015)
And roughly 15, 20, and 13% over 5,3,1 which indicates the 10-year is on the upswing rather than staying down under 7.
But let's take the 10-year low and pretend that's what you get over 35 years because a 30-year old quit smoking and put his pack per day habit into an IRA:
The 35 year savings become a $265000 simple or $250,000ish Roth IRA at the age of 65.
If the same person is lucky enough to get a 10% ROI over the same time (somewhere between the 20 and 30 year above returns), it's more like $536000/428000.
The simple cost of investing cigarette money into a retirement account is worth a lot in the long run. And even that little amount of money gains you access to the things you suggested weren't available.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 6:26 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Social security is a terrible ROI for poor people.
Now I know you aren’t bro g serious. The Poor’s ROI greatly exceeds the not poor in terms of SS. Please tell me you understand how the rates are skewed in terms of return vs contribution towards the lower end.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:08 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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They do not have access to investing tools such as an S&P 500 index
That and just about any other type of investing information the average person could possibly use is available for free at public libraries along with internet access.
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 1:05 am
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