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re: 7 Republicans who voted against back pay for furloughed workers

Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:52 am to
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60765 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:52 am to
Why would they receive back pay for jobs they didn't work?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14236 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:59 am to
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Those not working should not receive back pay.
Why is that? Does it make any difference how long they are furloughed?
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:01 am to
What many are missing is the gov't kinda strings them along by suggesting the shutdown will end soon.

But the 380,000 can ride it out drawing unemployment....so if they are paid it should be minus their unemployment checks.



Who is getting royally fricked is essential personnel.

They are still required to work without pay....without unemployemnt benefits.....and because they are still working fulltime they don't have the time to find and work a temporary job.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 10:03 am
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5256 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:03 am to
When DOD civilians were sent home a few years ago on sequester, they got back pay despite not working.

And they should have.

These people have bills and jobs. They aren’t choosing not to work.
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5256 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:05 am to
Because if they don’t and this goes for a while, good luck getting quality federal employees in the future. It’s hard enough to hire quality federal employees in technical fields as it is.
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5256 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:07 am to
So your solution is to have them all get new jobs? If they do that, they aren’t coming back. Talk about breaking the system. That’s a nuclear option.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
4497 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:45 am to
93,

We agree. It is never an easy scenario for those families. We also agree that it is because of the “cowards” in congress that this has reached the point where we find ourselves. Instead of balancing a budget, they continually pass continuing resolutions.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
4497 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:45 am to
Cowboy, i have no doubt that this scenario is more involved than the average guy (me) is aware.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12734 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Yes and no, baw. While that is part of their contract, their contract has been broken by their employer, ruling it null and void.

No, not at all. You know, you could just google this and find it all over the internet right now. They are furloughed, not laid off. Law clearly states that they are still employed by the federal government, so they must continue to abide by ethics laws regarding outside employment.
Posted by LSU Tiger Bob
South
Member since Sep 2011
3003 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:55 am to
quote:

”You would have people that didn't work at all being paid money from the federal government,"




quote:

Happens all the time anyway



So true!!! It's a way of life for many, many people!
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5256 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:56 am to
Stop trying to help them understand. People entrench their opinion and then refuse to understand if they are wrong.

The shutdown is more damaging than some will admit and if it continues will severely impact federal talent management at affected agencies and departments.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27256 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 12:22 pm to
No, it does not. If they are sitting on their arse at home they should not be paid. Do you get paid for not working? They are eligible for unemployment as well...
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5256 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 12:39 pm to
Why in the hell should a federal worker that could be making in excess of $100K have to take a huge pay cut (max unemployment weekly benefit in D.C. is $425) when they have a job and are willing to work? They weren’t fired...they are simply caught in a food fight.
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5256 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Instead of balancing a budget, they continually pass continuing resolutions.


This has NOTHING to do with an inability to balance the budget. This is about those that submitted an appropriations bill not incorporating a $5B insert for the wall. The CR was only to keep the government going while the veto threat due to an unfunded wall was being addressed.

Congress writes appropriations, but the President can veto it. No wall funding = veto.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 1:55 pm to
Its not a layoff.

Its grandstanding by potus.

He gets his.

Screw you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261836 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 1:56 pm to
I'm guessing there's more to this than backpay for workers.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9526 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

Its not a layoff. 

Its grandstanding by potus. 

He gets his. 

Screw you.


It's doing what he has to do for a common sense security and economic solution.

The Dems aren't just going to give in willingly.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

to just suddenly take all their pay away is pretty messed up


Maybe politicians should quit playing games, then.
Posted by ErikGordan
Member since Oct 2016
874 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 3:12 pm to
The wall is a political rhetoric that doesn't solve the real problem. Yes it will help but most know it is easier to drive or fly through our ports of entry than try to cross illegally. The only reason to cross illegally or not enter through a port if you were previously deported or lack a passport

We need laws not walls. Congress needs to pass a bill that prohibits citizenship and/or asylum to those who cross the border illegally and/or overstay. Then we should enforce our immigration laws.
Posted by NeonSunburst
Member since Oct 2010
2798 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 5:29 pm to
This is how I see it. If you take a job with the federal government and you know, as all adults do, that we have federal government shutdowns. Those people that work for the feds know it could happen and should save for when it happens.
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