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re: Harden had a 5 step travel on a 3 pt attempt...and was awarded with a trip to the line
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:10 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:10 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:How does Jrue take it to the basket? Some players, like Harden, seek out the contact. Harden is 6’5” and built, and he goes through contact on purpose.
WHo leads the league in FTA per game?
James Harden, no surprise there, with 10.2FTA. That's an easy correlation.
But......
Jrue Holiday is 39th, at 4.3FTA
The man gets no respect.
Other players try to avoid contact and will instead alter their shot around the potential contact.
Maybe Jrue does the latter? I don’t watch him enough to know, I’m just theorizing what could be a possibility other than refs just purposely not calling fouls when Jrue is fouled.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:15 am to SPEEDY
quote:I don't want to. It hurts my heart.
Close your eyes and image John Wall “blocking” Harden the way he did on Lonzo a couple of nights ago
I don't get this notion that Harden is just this legendary drawer of fouls.
I clearly see that he has amazing body control and smooth as hell stop and go and pause skills.
And when he gets fouled and they slow it down I can see that yep, that defender was .0006 seconds late to get over and swiped and definitely did brush Harden's arm hair.
Sure, call the foul.
But Harden is the only player that consistently gets those calls. And it looks like refs aggressively look to blow a whistle for him.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:20 am to ReauxlTide222
I see it differently.
Refs are reluctant to blow the whistle because they know the reputation the fans give him and the refs know they’ll be blamed for calling the foul.
But the refs know better than the fans, and they know he really is getting fouled.
So the refs are in this tough spot of swallowing the whistle to appease fans, or make the right call as they see it.
Refs are reluctant to blow the whistle because they know the reputation the fans give him and the refs know they’ll be blamed for calling the foul.
But the refs know better than the fans, and they know he really is getting fouled.
So the refs are in this tough spot of swallowing the whistle to appease fans, or make the right call as they see it.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:23 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:They alter their shot to try to still get the shot up for the and 1. They still get touched(all it takes for Harden to get a foul).
Other players try to avoid contact and will instead alter their shot around the potential contact.
Y'all think Harden is so great at this stuff because he gets the brush foul calls while others don't as often.
And the contact isn't even the same. Dudes get called for fouls on Harden while slightly out of position but trying to make as little contact with him as possible sometimes.
Damn near every time Lebron drives every defender who can get to him is leaning in and swiping his shite and bouncing off him. He'd shoot 20+ free throws a game if he was officiated like Harden.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 8:27 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:26 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:I'd honestly buy this if it weren't for Lebron.
But the refs know better than the fans, and they know he really is getting fouled.
If the refs are so good at seeing these fouls, why do they ignore the shite defenders do to Lebron?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:37 am to SPEEDY
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:38 am to PrimeTime Money
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Refs are reluctant to blow the whistle
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:47 am to kywildcatfanone
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It's part of why the NBA is unwatchable for some fans.
College basketball and it’s police state is much more unwatchable.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:51 am to ReauxlTide222
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I'd honestly buy this if it weren't for Lebron.
If the refs are so good at seeing these fouls, why do they ignore the shite defenders do to Lebron?
I don’t really have an answer other than lebron gets shaq’ed because he is such a physical freak.
Harden is in the happy medium of being built and strong but not impressively so. He also has a better handle so he get wedge his way in when lebron just clears the paint
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:57 am to PrimeTime Money
P you also gotta remember that prior to last season the league passed a rule to stop hardwn from drawing fouls on threes when the defenders couldn’t help themselves. He responded to those rule changes by being even better the next two years then he was in the season when Westbrook (lol) took his MVP.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:02 am to TeddyPadillac
Jrue is a bum compared to harden. Hardwn is the best player in nba history at getting guys to foul him. As mentioned before he has the best braking system that we have ever seen on a nba player. That change of direction wreaks havoc on nba players who can’t help themselves.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:07 am to Dire Wolf
That's probably the best I've seen it explained.
I get it. I get why and how Harden draws fouls. As in, I get why a ref would say, "yep, he bumped/touched him, that's technically a foul."
What I don't get is why Harden is officiated so differently.
Defenders routinely freak out and get mad at themselves before a foul is called because they know they (barely)touched Harden and a foul is 100% incoming.
Like, there are VERY known things that you're just NOT allowed to do against Harden.
With every other player in the league, defenders are just playing their normal defense and hoping they can get away with whatever they do against the ball handler and if they get called, they get called.
I get it. I get why and how Harden draws fouls. As in, I get why a ref would say, "yep, he bumped/touched him, that's technically a foul."
What I don't get is why Harden is officiated so differently.
Defenders routinely freak out and get mad at themselves before a foul is called because they know they (barely)touched Harden and a foul is 100% incoming.
Like, there are VERY known things that you're just NOT allowed to do against Harden.
With every other player in the league, defenders are just playing their normal defense and hoping they can get away with whatever they do against the ball handler and if they get called, they get called.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:09 am to ReauxlTide222
Hardwn outsmarts them is the easiest way to put it. He is the thinking mans MVP.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:12 am to Boomshockalocka
Go away 
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:14 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
But the refs know better than the fans, and they know he really is getting fouled.
Bring on the flopping gifs!
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:20 am to SPEEDY
SB Nation on that play:
quote:
Yo dawg, I heard you like stepbacks.
So James Harden added a stepback to his stepback so you can watch a stepback right after a stepback.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:21 am to SPEEDY
Not as egregious as we’re making it out to be. The first step everyone is counting happened before the ball is touching his hand, so that doesn’t count. The second step happens a millisecond after the ball gets back to his hand; Harden has learned to time this right to give himself an extra LEGAL step, and this one was a bit off, and the ref missed it. The final two steps everyone is counting are considered a jump stop—you’re allowed to take one step and then a two-foot jump stop if both feet hit simultaneously. In this case, they didn’t, as we can tell in slow motion, but that’s an easy one to miss when it’s that close.
This looks like way more of a travel than it is; Harden has just figured out a way to maximize his steps to make it look like he travels every time he touches it.
This looks like way more of a travel than it is; Harden has just figured out a way to maximize his steps to make it look like he travels every time he touches it.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:28 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Like fans, players know the reputation he has.
Defenders routinely freak out and get mad at themselves before a foul is called because they know they (barely)touched Harden and a foul is 100% incoming.
So any time they foul him, like fans, they think it’s BS.
Harden baits defenders to foul him. He purposely sticks the ball out while driving because he knows defenders can’t resist swiping at the ball, but he’s strong enough to still get the shot up. And Harden is pretty big, so he challenges defenders physically and forces them to either play perfect defense or get called for a foul.
I think if you watched him every game, and analyzed what he does with an open mind, your opinion would shift some.
Does he get away with some “cheap” fouls. Yes. As do many players. Harden may get away with a little more because he actively tries to get some calls such as doing the swipe through move or going up through a defenders arms on a 3 when they’re trying to fight over a screen.
But because of his reputation with fans (who are fans of other teams), they take the foul thing TOO far and act like every time he gets to the line it’s BS.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:46 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:I understand. They can't resist swiping the ball no matter who the hell is holding it
Harden baits defenders to foul him. He purposely sticks the ball out while driving because he knows defenders can’t resist swiping at the ball
Do they not swipe Lebron? Lebron doesn't get swipe fouls.
What does baiting have to do with anything?
He has to "bait" them because they know not to swipe Harden because he gets the call.
Defenders just blindly swipe everyone else because it doesn't get called on anyone else the same way.
You might not agree with be, but do you see my point here?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:52 am to SPEEDY
Rockets still would have won by 3. The make up call happened on the next Utah possession. Let's also talk about that foul call on Eric Gordon.
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