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re: Public School Problems...
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:15 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:15 am to upgrayedd
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These kids can't handle regular school that has probably been dumbed down by 3 grades but he wants them to be in gifted classes too.
The african american kids? They tend to do just fine when given the same access to resources
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:32 am to deeprig9
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One mother told Means that her 8-year-old son is scared to go to school because of another child’s outbursts. “It’s like a Benny Hill movie” when teachers and administrators chase after him, she said. Meanwhile, she said the other 20 students are “evacuated” to another room that’s not equipped for teaching, where they watch cartoons until the situation is resolved. Another woman who identified herself as a substitute teacher said students have screamed at her and thrown chairs.
Means said students with individual education plans (IEPs)—which can include those with autism, a learning disorder or a physical disability in addition to those with emotional or behavioral disorders—must be in the “least restrictive environment,” which usually means an ordinary classroom. “At what point do you say you tried and move on to Plan B, or in some cases Plan C?”
Means acknowledged that watching a student act out can be “jarring” for other students, but said there’s also a flip side: While he hears from (usually white) parents about classroom disruption, some parents of color want to know why students with IEPs are disproportionately black boys. He attributed the disparity to trauma experienced in the home and said teachers are undergoing professional development to learn how to “connect with” students from low-income and minority families, while also setting high expectations for those students.
i have spoken on here for years that one of the few things in politics that gets me emotional (angry and sad) is this bullshite
this piece of shite is openly saying he'd rather sacrifice the schooling of all the kids who want to learn to protect the kids who are very unlikely to be educated. and then he response to a very reasonable and rational concern of parents who have their children (who did nothing wrong) suffering, with a nonsensical, vague racist comment
*ETA: just so we're clear, the students who suffer the most from these kids who disrupt classes are disproportionately black, too.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 6:34 am
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:37 am to The Levee
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This is only a problem in the south. Unfortunately.
that's because pretty much everywhere else is much more segregated than the south. i think NYC has the most segregated school system in the US and Boston isn't far behind . the South is pretty much the only place where you have demographics mixing black and white people in both rural and urban areas. everywhere else pretty much only has minorities in urban areas, and they're segregated as frick
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:37 am to deeprig9
Put the Bible back in school. Problems solved
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:39 am to bmy
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The african american kids? They tend to do just fine when given the same access to resources
i mean that superintendent claims the resources are plentiful and disagrees with you on the achievement levels
i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but the super creating the drama in OP is
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:39 am to upgrayedd
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This might be my favorite line
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He said he is concerned about whether the district is serving all children, noting, as he has many times before, that while 49 percent of the students are African American, less than 5 percent of those in gifted classes are African American. He wants to make sure all children are exposed to “rigorous academic instruction.”
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These kids can't handle regular school that has probably been dumbed down by 3 grades but he wants them to be in gifted classes too.
This destructive mentality must be weeded out - I don't have any idea how to do that, but this idea of outcome equality must be utterly destroyed - it may be too late.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:49 am to deeprig9
Typical black leader. He seems that 49% of the students are black but only 5% are in advanced programs and he can't conceptualize of any reason for that other than racial bias
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:50 am to deeprig9
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Means said students with individual education plans (IEPs)—which can include those with autism, a learning disorder or a physical disability in addition to those with emotional or behavioral disorders—must be in the “least restrictive environment,” which usually means an ordinary classroom. “At what point do you say you tried and move on to Plan B, or in some cases Plan C?”
If the chief causes of disruption truly are children on IEPs, then this isn't a race thing, it's a legal thing.
Principals and school boards will happily let 20 kids with severe behavioral problems ruin the education of another 600 children in the district every year rather than face a lawsuit from even 1 parent by removing those students to a separate instructional facility.
My mom taught Special Ed for 20 years; you simply wouldn't believe the demands made by parents with the threat of legal action backing them up.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:51 am to SlowFlowPro
I have said for a very long time that if you have the ability to send your child to a different School but still allow them to go to a school with a heavy black population it is a form of child abuse
And I'm not just talking about white kids. if you are a black parent and you have the ability to send your kid to a school other than one with a heavy black population and you don't you are also a child abuser
And I'm not just talking about white kids. if you are a black parent and you have the ability to send your kid to a school other than one with a heavy black population and you don't you are also a child abuser
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:52 am to bmy
quote:there are literally zero statistics to back up this assertion
The african american kids? They tend to do just fine when given the same access to resources
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:53 am to ShortyRob
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other than racial bias
it's like a secondary racial bias
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He attributed the disparity to trauma experienced in the home
the policy-idea makers have developed what essentially amounts to urban-black PTSD from their home lives as the reasoning
the academics who create these concepts will bend over backwards to never lay blame on the parents of the kids. their goal is to find some esoteric explanation to absolve both the parents and the kids from any blame
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:54 am to The Levee
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This is only a problem in the south. Unfortunately.
No, it’s not. It’s everywhere. And as cultural rot spreads, it will be in your school soon. It’s probably already there.
One of the main problems is that the school’s hands are tied in dishing out consequences. A fifth grader had to chase two kids on the playground with a 3” knife before he got expelled here in STL. Didn’t make the news. His “rap sheet” looks like a school shooter in training. The most he could get was 10 days out of school suspension until he tried to stab a kid.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:55 am to Muthsera
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Principals and school boards will happily let 20 kids with severe behavioral problems ruin the education of another 600 children in the district every year rather than face a lawsuit from even 1 parent by removing those students to a separate instructional facility.
it's not even about lawsuits. i believe most of these admins are true believers that we should devote disproportionate amount of our resources to "save" the kids, at the expense of educating the 95% of the student population. it's disgusting and a mentality that dooms so many black students with potential. it makes me legit angry
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's not even about lawsuits. i believe most of these admins are true believers that we should devote disproportionate amount of our resources to "save" the kids, at the expense of educating the 95% of the student population. it's disgusting and a mentality that dooms so many black students with potential. it makes me legit angry
Even worse they think I closing the Gap in performance between the top and the bottom is more important than increasing overall performance
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's not even about lawsuits. i believe most of these admins are true believers that we should devote disproportionate amount of our resources to "save" the kids
Most people don’t grasp 1) the scope and severity of children acting out in elementary school and 2) the resources requires to handle the 1% of students who are worst offenders.
You take the worst three kids out of a school of 300 and find alternative schooling for them and your education reform will happen all by itself.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's not even about lawsuits. i believe most of these admins are true believers that we should devote disproportionate amount of our resources to "save" the kids, at the expense of educating the 95% of the student population.
anecdotal story here - but I spent the years 2000-2013 teaching high school math where the principal openly stated it was about preventing lawsuits - that the School Board was deathly afraid of lawsuits. That and maintaining attendance levels were their only motivations.
I don't recall a single meeting where the emphasis was on improving the learning environment.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:01 am to ShortyRob
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Even worse they think I closing the Gap in performance between the top and the bottom is more important than increasing overall performance
Teaching theory has become so bastardized that there’s no way to effect outcomes. They satisfy themselves with playing at the margins of statistical categories because very few of them can actually get a kid to proficiency who wouldn’t have reached proficiency on his/her own.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:03 am to the808bass
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You take the worst three kids out of a school of 300 and find alternative schooling for them and your education reform will happen all by itself.
I got in a bit of trouble early in my teaching career when I stood up at a meeting on our "attendance problem" - I said that our attendance problem was that we had too much of it - that if we got rid of about a dozen kids, our environment would improve immediately and the educational progress would take off.
The principal was not too happy with me.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 7:04 am
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:05 am to bmy
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The african american kids? They tend to do just fine when given the same access to resources
Poor areas have more access to resources because they get federal funding that more well off areas do not. You are clearly ignorant on this issue.
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