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re: Why most academics lean left
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:00 am to Robin Masters
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:00 am to Robin Masters
Because many of them who like to present themselves as "worldly"(because they travel extensively) only interact with like-minded people. Ergo, they're very ignorant of how the world actually works.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 9:51 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:05 am to TbirdSpur2010
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No. Reality is reality. Theories are different ways to attempt to interpret reality.
The utopian world academics envision is typically buttressed by theories that work better on paper or in a vacuum than out in what we all know as reality. Given that their livelihood is dependent upon the government, it's not surprising that most of their theories favor big government as well.
But, no, theories are not "how things start the process of coming into reality."
These 'intellectuals' are caught up in the group-think that = "if only the world worked this way, everything would be easy." They are constantly looking for the anti-gravity machine or the perpetual motion system.
Yep - some things would work easier if stuff didn't fall on the floor - BUT a multitude of OTHER things would all go to shite.
These "progressives" only congratulate themselves on their ideas that only work in zero gravity - and describe as "hateful" anyone who points out all the problems that a world without gravity would entail.
They are 'smart' in the context of being able to expound for hours on the benefits of their zero gravity world, using big words and complex equations and flowery rhetoric, but cannot or will not engage with those grubby 'haters' who ask real questions about harms that it would entail.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 6:06 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:06 am to Ebbandflow
quote:so you're saying that reality doesn't exist before some geek theorizes it.
Thats how things start the process of coming into reality.
Brilliant...
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:14 am to Robin Masters
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Intellectuals, according to Hayek, are drawn to utopian visions
So are most murderous dictators.
In both cases, they each see themselves at the top of the food chain in their Utopian visions.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:14 am to 995webmaster
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Because they're smart.
No, not the "intellectuals" of today.
They comfortably stand on the shoulders of giants.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:15 am to TbirdSpur2010
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No. Reality is reality.
So inert molecules floating wherever the wind takes them? Lol. Or maybe the limitless number of things you've chosen, are choosing and have chosen in a universe where all things are endlessly recycled because energy is neither created nor destroyed? Maybe our perception that we see 3D but only in a two dimensional way?
But I'm sure you didn't mean any of those aspects of many realities. You basically just said Everything's Relative as long as we all agree on it. You basically rendered the basic ENTP visionary down to a flat-earther. Nive work.
All of us have a filter through which we see reality through a choice of hypotheses, into theory, into agreement which is the basic version of reality that you were referring to. For some people, that filter has a wider scope. Some of those thinkers have a great idea every now and again. One that was not accepted by your version of reality.
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The utopian world academics envision is typically buttressed by theories that work better on paper or in a vacuum than out in what we all know as reality.
It doesn't mean they shouldn't keep working towards it. It is truly the backwater of intellectualism to say that most ideas don't work so we shouldn't press forward.
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Given that their livelihood is dependent upon the government, it's not surprising that most of their theories favor big government as well.
No, most of these ideas are contingent based on the aspect of reality that is mutual agreement and participation. The problem is that many intellectuals still live in such a primitive egotistical state that they tried to force others to agree. Either way, as inventors and Visionaries keep pressing forward, whether or not Society is ready to agree upon that reality, at least we'll still have the tools available to us when we do get our act together.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 6:18 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:18 am to Knight of Old
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so you're saying that reality doesn't exist before some geek theorizes it.
No, all realities are happening at the same time. I meant into the reality that he accepts
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 6:33 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:25 am to Ebbandflow
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Ebbandflow
Omphaloskepsis writ large
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:29 am to 995webmaster
quote:Educated =/= smart.
Because they're smart.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:30 am to ChineseBandit58
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Omphaloskepsis writ large
Well its that level of curiosity that made people want to study anatomy and physiology. Lol
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:31 am to TigerAxeOK
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Educated =/= smart.
Well it generally means a smarter version of themselves.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:35 am to ChineseBandit58
Hayek’s article, on which the author largely relies, was written in 1949. There has been a lot of half-decent quantitative studies since then focusing on this topic. For example, a recent British study found that the the difference was largely explained in a trait known as “openness to experience” generally found in higher levels among liberals.
I’m also curious as to OPs thoughts re: the Right’s adversity to intellectualism in current politics. To be labeled an intellectual by the right these days is typically a negative charge—but part of that adversity to “intellectualism” is troubling to me.
I’m also curious as to OPs thoughts re: the Right’s adversity to intellectualism in current politics. To be labeled an intellectual by the right these days is typically a negative charge—but part of that adversity to “intellectualism” is troubling to me.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:37 am to Ebbandflow
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Well it generally means a smarter version of themselve
Again - depends on what yo call 'smart.'
I do not think a person who only knows 'gender studies' curricula is as smart as a welder who never when to college.
The gender studies expert only has standing with similarly brain-washed robots and can produce exactly nothing with real value.
The welder can relate to how the world actually works and it doesn't matter who he is talking to.
Being 'well educated' in a worthless ideology is worse than being ignorant, but curious, about the world around you.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:39 am to ChineseBandit58
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Again - depends on what yo call 'smart.'
I do not think a person who only knows 'gender studies' curricula is as smart as a welder who never when to college.
So you believe welding makes one smarter than having to write countless papers, learn new information, use critical thinking skills, and take a baseline coursework of a multitude of subjects? Yeah, welders are probably generally smarter. Derp
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 6:49 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:45 am to abitaman6363
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s “openness to experience” generally found in higher levels among liberals.
Maybe at one time, but modern Liberals are the most close-minded group in the West.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:48 am to abitaman6363
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To be labeled an intellectual by the right these days is typically a negative charge—but part of that adversity to “intellectualism” is troubling to me.
I think you have it backwards.
What the 'right' accepts as intellectualism is based on the real world.
What the 'left' celebrates as intellectualism is largely based on political ideology.
I don't know you, but the slant of your post seems to be from the 'progressive' viewpoint. I could be wrong, but I would surmise that you are referring to things like 'climate change' (previously called anthropological global warming) and 'trans-gender' and ideas like "diversity is our strength" as examples of intellectualism where conservatives do not accept the political aspects of those ideas.
However, you might note that conservatives are the ones who want to engage in an honest 'conversation' about those kinds of topics, whereas the 'progressives' only want to label us an 'anti-intellectuals' when we offer any questions.
If I have mis-judged your stance please correct me - or feel free to engage in an 'honest conversation' about any example of anti-intellectualism you perceive in conservative viewpoints.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:48 am to Ebbandflow
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So you believe welding makes one smarter then having to write countless papers, learn new information, use critical thinking skills, and take a baseline coursework of a multitude of subjects?
Your assumption is based on your limited life experience.
There are many types of welders in the world and in may cases they must go thru rigorous training to do their job.
Getting a degree in Womerns' Studies isn't nearly as impressive as learning to become an underwater welder and I would gather that in most cases, yes, the person who is the underwater welder is smarter than the blue-haired freak who got their degree by parroting the party line.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:50 am to Ebbandflow
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So you believe welding makes one smarter then having to write countless papers
And for the record, if 90% of the so called "intellectuals" died today, the world would be fine, however, if 90% of the welders/plumbers/garbagemen died we are in a world of zhit.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:51 am to Ebbandflow
quote:So does waking up in the morning.
Thats how things start the process of coming into reality.
Insofar as it assumes some importance, your observation is a bit like assuming the most rudiment hypothesis represents substantial progress to an endpoint.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:53 am to ChineseBandit58
Liberals are talkers, Conservatives are do-ers.
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