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"These crimes were not crimes before Mueller"

Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:49 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:49 am
One of the clearest pictures I have heard from anybody.

All of the charges by Mueller (save the Manafort things from decades ago) would not be crimes had a SC not been set up.


In other words, there would have been no traps of perjury.



Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93415 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:50 am to
Pardons for errybody
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91436 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:50 am to
well duh, the last administration was democrat.

'scandal free'
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:51 am to
quote:

In other words, there would have been no traps of perjury.


if they werent investigating there would be nothing to lie about?

i dont think that is how it works.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:55 am to
quote:

if they werent investigating there would be nothing to lie about?

What crime are they investigating? After 30 mil and 2 years, it should be at least named by now?

"Show me the man and I'll find you the crime"
Lavrenti Beria

Also known as "Honest Lav" Beria
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 8:58 am
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:07 am to
quote:

What crime are they investigating?


I would hope the SC isnt looking for any, but rather reporting crimes as they come across them.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:08 am to
quote:

I would hope the SC isnt looking for any, but rather reporting crimes as they come across them.




Not only are they looking for them, they are creating them.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84418 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:08 am to
quote:

I would hope the SC isnt looking for any, but rather reporting crimes as they come across them.

Let's go fishing, Honest Bob grab some business dealings from the 80s stat!
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:09 am to
quote:


I would hope the SC isnt looking for any,


Seriously..You don't think he's fishing for anything he can Frankenstein into a "crime"?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46084 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:12 am to
Right. The issue is, that this can go on forever if they like. The mangling of Corsi’s testimony is a prime example of what they are doing.

At what point is Mueller held accountable for the scope and intent of the investigation, or will he be allowed to entrap people for another 2 years on matters completely unrelated to Trump/Russia collusion?

My big issue with all of this is the stark contrast between the insane scrutiny of all things Trump by the SC versus the “anything goes” treatment of Clinton by the FBI. If lying to Congress is a crime, than go arrest Hillary right goddam now!
Posted by BrookhavenBengal
Brookhaven, MS
Member since Oct 2007
3576 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:40 am to
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I would hope the SC isnt looking for any, but rather reporting crimes as they come across them.



See, this is the "rub" for many, including me. A Special Counsel should be investigating an underlying crime. In other words, in order to even establish an SC, there should've been an alleged violation of a specific statute at the very beginning. Then, the SC should've been charged with investigating that alleged violation. Within the scope of investigating that specific violation, other crimes could reasonably be uncovered, investigated, and prosecuted.

However, in this instance, there is no specific underlying crime to justify this circus. There is no statute prohibiting "collusion." No prosecutor should have the power to just go digging around to see if he or she can find a crime...in fact, no prosecutor does have that power, yet here we are.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:47 am to
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if they werent investigating there would be nothing to lie about?




No. You are in no way committing perjury right now. You are committing no crime.

Let's put a SC on you and ask you where you were on Jan 8th 2014. If you get one thing wrong... You lied.

Was what you did on Jan 8th 2014 a crime? No. But you lied to the SC per the SC.... Per you.. you just can't remember everything properly.

Now... the SC is simply going to pressure you to admit you lied or they are going to take you to court and that means they will investigate WITH THE WHOLE WEIGHT OF THE FEDERAL GOV into EVERY aspect of your life and you better hope we don't find so much as a little cheat on your taxes.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:49 am to
quote:

I would hope the SC isnt looking for any, but rather reporting crimes as they come across them.


1- That was not his mandate...

2- That's not what he's doing. He is creating perjury traps and it speaks VOLUMES to what he does not have because he is having to result to these things.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7045 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:58 am to
Yes. They are charging them with the bs stuff like perjury and obstruction. T bjj pse are the fall back charges when they can't get you on something real.

If you honestly think Hillary and team could not be brought up on similar charges then you are foolish.
Posted by MMauler
Primary This RINO Traitor
Member since Jun 2013
23900 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:02 am to
Can we get a GIF meme with Oprah screaming "You get a Parson, and YOU get a pardon, and YOU get a pardon...... "
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53543 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:06 am to
As the Revolutionary Regime evolves, so will the Law, particularly Criminal Law.

At some point, you'll be prosecuted for criticizing a policy of the Regime.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:12 am to
That's where it ends.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53543 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:13 am to
Of course. The culmination of the trend is obvious.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100427 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:28 am to
Same song and dance.

Nixon was going to be impeached because he lied to everyone trying to cover it up.

Bill Clinton lies to Congress and was impeached on perjury.

That’s all these investigations ever are. Perjury traps.

They’ll try the same with Trump. I hope he was careful in his written answers
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:29 am to
Yep. Change the definitions to legitimize your agenda.
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