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re: Les Miles “when we had passers, we threw it”
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:30 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:30 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Pretty much accurate.
I love Les but his stubbornness and desire to stick to Michigan style I formation football did him in. The game passed him by.
I love Les but his stubbornness and desire to stick to Michigan style I formation football did him in. The game passed him by.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:33 am to LNCHBOX
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So the great Les Miles was not in the top 50 in the country.
At Oklahoma State.
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Listening to you people his teams are always top 10.
At LSU they were more often than they weren't.
No shame with some of yall.
So he was average at Oklahoma St.
But great at LSU.
So when he follows the GOAT (Saban)
Has the LSU brand, in a state like La (produces the most NFL talent per capita) and a budget like LSU he is great.
Comparing and contrasting those 2 situations, Miles is a very avg. coach that was extremely lucky to be in the right place at the right time.
We will see who is right. After miles goes around .500 for his career at KU.
No, I'm not ashamed to call out a coach who made 10s of Millions for what he is.
I know football, and from an Xs and Os level Miles is a High School coach at best.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:35 am to cj2002
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Miles is a very avg. coach
You don't win 70%+ of your games in the SEC's golden era and be an average coach. It can't happen.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:37 am to AFistfulof$
Mett could throw it yet we went 9-3 with Landry, Beckham, Blue, Hill, Diarse, and DeAngelo.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:39 am to Picayuner
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The outstanding Louisiana high school players that came to LSU won the games. Miles held them to one NC. Any other coach wins 2 to 4 with that talent.
Saban didn't in 2004. The same talent that was supposedly what won the title for Miles in 2007.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:43 am to Geauxboy
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Saban didn't in 2004. The same talent that was supposedly what won the title for Miles in 2007.
They were freshmen and sophomores and some weren’t even on the team.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:44 am to AFistfulof$
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Les Miles “when we had passers, we threw it”
Really ..... so why did he recruit primarily RUNNING QB’s?!
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:47 am to SammyTiger
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Les’s problem was than instead of aimplifying the offense for college kids he just stopped throwing the ball if he didn’t have a QB who could do what he required him to do.
Lee has LSU undefeated until he threw an int at the Alabama game. Les used that to bench him...not sure he ever threw another pass.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:49 am to AFistfulof$
I like Les. But...
*not counting Mettenberger and Etling due to transfer*
2005 Perrilloux - 5 star QB - #16 in class - #1 DT QB
2007 J. Lee - 4 star QB - #168 in class - #7 PS QB
2008 Jefferson - 4 star QB - #208 in class, #8 PS QB
2009 Shepard - 5 star QB - #7 in class - #1 DT QB
2009 Garrett - 3 star QB - #18 PS QB
2010 Z. Lee - 4 star QB - #217 in class - #9 PS QB
2011 Randall - 4 star QB - #10 DT QB
2011 Rivers - 3 star QB - #19 PS QB
2012 Liggins - 3 star QB - #16 DT QB
2013 Rettig - 4 star QB - #73 in class - #3 PS QB
2013 Jennings - #4 star QB - #145 in class - #6 DT QB
2014 Harris - 4 star QB - #99 in class - #5 DT QB
2015 McMillan - Unranked
Of course rankings can be wrong, but they weren't wrong THIS many times.
System and development matter.
*not counting Mettenberger and Etling due to transfer*
2005 Perrilloux - 5 star QB - #16 in class - #1 DT QB
2007 J. Lee - 4 star QB - #168 in class - #7 PS QB
2008 Jefferson - 4 star QB - #208 in class, #8 PS QB
2009 Shepard - 5 star QB - #7 in class - #1 DT QB
2009 Garrett - 3 star QB - #18 PS QB
2010 Z. Lee - 4 star QB - #217 in class - #9 PS QB
2011 Randall - 4 star QB - #10 DT QB
2011 Rivers - 3 star QB - #19 PS QB
2012 Liggins - 3 star QB - #16 DT QB
2013 Rettig - 4 star QB - #73 in class - #3 PS QB
2013 Jennings - #4 star QB - #145 in class - #6 DT QB
2014 Harris - 4 star QB - #99 in class - #5 DT QB
2015 McMillan - Unranked
Of course rankings can be wrong, but they weren't wrong THIS many times.
System and development matter.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:50 am to munchman
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Really ..... so why did he recruit primarily RUNNING QB’s?!
He didn't, and that was his issue. He never committed to recruiting only one style of QB. For every Jefferson there was a Lee. He recuited Gunner Kiel, got Mett here, etc.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:51 am to rbdallas
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an int
More than one.
Like it or not, LSU doesn't win that game if Jefferson doesn't play.
Now I'll agree, Les should have played Lee in the 2nd half of 1/9/12. That was simply him being stubborn.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:51 am to AFistfulof$
And we got a coach who can't muster much of a offense 29-0
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:53 am to Picayuner
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Lea miles didn’t beat anyone. The outstanding Louisiana high school players that came to LSU won the games. Miles held them to one NC. Any other coach wins 2 to 4 with that talent.
This is just a irresponsible statement and it's difficult to believe anyone is stupid enough to think this.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:55 am to LNCHBOX
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He didn't, and that was his issue. He never committed to recruiting only one style of QB. For every Jefferson there was a Lee. He recuited Gunner Kiel, got Mett here, etc.
I pretty much agree. You have 2 coaches:
- This is our system, and we're gonna recruit the guys who fit that system to a tee
OR
- I'll take the best QB I can get and tweak the offense to fit his skill set.
I don't think he ever figured out which of the two he wanted to be, and it cost him.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:55 am to AFistfulof$
Some tend to forget how much an effect Losing RP11 DUMBASS had on the program ...
JL had a pretty good senior year despite his struggles in his youth. But, aside from that we hadn't had a real threat at QB until mettenburger..
Burrow manages well and shows tremendous accuracy, but his receivers have not helped him statistically ...
I look forward to his return, and hope to see improvement from our young receivers, as well as significant improve in OL PLAY/DEPTH/HEALTH...
ADD A stud RB and this offense should be sigicantly better!!
JL had a pretty good senior year despite his struggles in his youth. But, aside from that we hadn't had a real threat at QB until mettenburger..
Burrow manages well and shows tremendous accuracy, but his receivers have not helped him statistically ...
I look forward to his return, and hope to see improvement from our young receivers, as well as significant improve in OL PLAY/DEPTH/HEALTH...
ADD A stud RB and this offense should be sigicantly better!!
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:57 am to AFistfulof$
he just didn't run a QB friendly system. Even Brandon Jennings could be a proficient QB if you ran the right plays at the right times in the right offense.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:57 am to LNCHBOX
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You don't win 70%+ of your games in the SEC's golden era and be an average coach. It can't happen.
For the reasons I already stated, It can.
If he was not avg., he would have proved it at Oaky ST.
But he was .570 there.
However, had he followed Denardo, I believe he would have had similar results as he did at Oaky ST.
He will be able to prove who he is at KU.
I take it you believe he will do better than .500?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:57 am to cj2002
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For the reasons I already stated, It can.
Not for 10 years, it can't. The law of averages won't allow that.
I get it, you hate Miles. But that doesn't make him an average coach. It just makes you bitter.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:58 am to ShortyRob
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And the fact that Miles coached as if the INT was the equivalent of losing the game.
It often is if the only viable offense you can muster is on the ground.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:58 am to Picayuner
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Lea miles didn’t beat anyone. The outstanding Louisiana high school players that came to LSU won the games. Miles held them to one NC. Any other coach wins 2 to 4 with that talent.
Lol
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