re: Les Miles “when we had passers, we threw it”

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Didn't some insiders say some of our QBs would look great in practice and then have no idea what happened during Gameday. I don't mean the last season season or so, but prior to Harris transferring.. During the Jefferson, Jennings, Harris era?

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I’ll drop some knowledge on you to help explain straight from Tolliver’s mouth:

Jefferson could only learn around 4-8 plays (which coordinators did their best to disguise with formations). That’s it. He couldn’t figure out the offense. So Miles simplified it for him and Jefferson only had to memorize a handful. To onlookers he would look great in practice because we were only running those plays.

During the games, that obviously didn’t work because, in the real world opposing coaches adjusted. Jefferson would get lost and it would become a trainwreck.

That’s why I said from the get go in 2011, once Jefferson was allowed back on the team, we wouldn’t win a title. Our offense became worse and worse over the season and opposing teams figured it out.

But Jefferson looked great in practice.

He's right but he is also responsible for the really strange choices he made on the QB's he brought in.
Cost him a trip to Kansas in the end.

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KU won't have that talent, he cant be .700 with his coaching. 

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Their best win% since the 40's is .510.

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That’s why I said from the get go in 2011, once Jefferson was allowed back on the team, we wouldn’t win a title. Our offense became worse and worse over the season and opposing teams figured it out. 

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Without JJ we dont win the sec title.

When JJ started( November) our offensive production was the best it had been all year.

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He didnt play well in the oregon game, kentucky and the bama game.

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Oregon was Lee's first game as a starter, and they were top 10. He played well enough. Kentucky was Jefferson's first game back after his suspension. Lee didn't play badly but he wasn't sharp. He played like a QB looking over his shoulder. He knew Miles was waiting for a chance to get JJ in, and sure enough it happened. He did struggle against Bama, but it shouldn't have been enough to undo all the good he had done up to that point. The kid got a raw deal, but never said a bad word about Miles, Jefferson, or LSU.

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Just think how bad a worse JLee wouldve played.

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It's hard to imagine that anyone could've played worse than JJ did in either of those games. Jefferson stunk it up in both, but was never pulled for even a single series.

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When JJ started( November) our offensive production was the best it had been all year.

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What about December and January? Jefferson got to pad stats on a couple really shitty teams and threw for 208 yards against Arkansas. He did have that one big run for a TD as well to be fair. But let's not pretend he was the reason the offense moved.

We absolutely need him to beat Bama, no question. But he was not good in most of his starts in 2011.

That graph proves my point. We were blowing people out of the water in September and early October with Defense and a very efficient offense.. Jefferson came back that October but didn’t become the starter fully until mid November.

He started well but the longer he started the worse the offense became - see late November and obviously December and January.

Any argument that we wouldn’t have won the SEC or Beaten Bama with Jarrett Lee is an argument from Silence. The defense only allowed 6 points in the GOTC (mainly due to the failure of Bama’s special teams as they really outplayed us) and that has little to do with the offense.

If Jefferson had ANY success against BAMA in that game it was because of the element of surprise not because of QB ability.

See no further than 1/9. Saban saw all the film and knew how limited we really were.

1/9 was the game to put Lee back in and surprise Saban once more.

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Did you see JJ play on 1/9? Tell me how it could be worse. 

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Do i need to post the stat line for Jlee on 11/5 or can we both agree that both qbs wouldve struggled but miles shouldve atleast tried going with JLee?

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But Miles is the GOAT according to you, how does what happen before he got there matter? 

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Ive literally NEVER SAID HE IS THE GOAT or even the best lsu coach ever. I say accomplished.

The word best is subjective. Accomplishments arent

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His great football mind will overcome all and KU will compete with anyone, That is the shite you try to spin. 

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Link.

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KU has none of that, let us see him win 33 games his 1st 3 years. 

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You need help. Saban won 33 games in 3 years AT BAMA.

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You and others have claimed for years he made LSU, I always said BS. 

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Literally NO ONE has ever said this.


Youre clearly one of the those posters that makes up bullshite stances that no one has ever had and then bash them for those bullshite stances.

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Had Les stayed long enough his record would have come back to the .500 range?

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His numbers are skewed by taking over after Saban.

We will see who laughs last, Let us see what he does at KU.

You say he is one of the greats, so let us see him duplicate at KU what he did at LSU.

If he wins 70% in his 1st 3 years my opinion will change.

Hell, I may change my mind if he can win 7 games a year.

What will you say if he only wins 5 or 6?

Because I would guess that is where this is headed.