re: WR's - 10,000 off-season reps on the Jugs machine MINIMUM

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OBJ and Juice used to do that amount on each hand... on Tuesday.

I kid, but they were obsessed at perfection and it paid off

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That's who they were as people. The were not only one-in-a-million athletes, they were one-in-a-million as far as work ethic goes.

Just because someone's blessed with talent doesn't mean they'll automatically have the drive to put in the time to maximize their skills.

It's really easy to say our guys need to live with the JUGS machine, but that's obviously not who they are as people. They are not obsessed with mastering their craft.

No team has a squad full of players with elite work ethic. That's why it's on the coaching staff to demand a certain standard of excellence that extends to the entire team. It has to be that a certain standard of work is required or you don't play. That culture is not present on the offensive side of the ball right now. And it's not going to magically be present unless there are a lot of changes on our coaching staff.

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That culture is not present on the offensive side of the ball right now. And it's not going to magically be present unless there are a lot of changes on our coaching staff.

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We agree 100% on this point. Should be a no-brainer for an OC and/or a WR coach to convince his players to do the reps necessary to vastly improve their skill-set. Particularly at a program that puts so many players in the NFL. With a couple exceptions, it's not looking good for these WR's to get paid at the next level.

Looks like about 120 hours a year of Jugs work might elevate some of these WR's skill sets to acceptable NFL standards. Comes to 4 or 5 thousand dollars an hour if they can make a roster at the minimum rookie pay rate.

Falls on the OC and WR coach, IMO. Coach O gets a pass unless he lets this WR mess drag on into another season.

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I think Sullivan's methods may be too advanced for a group of college kids, and i dont think Joseph offers much of anything on the coaching side. They need someone that can relate to the younger kids.

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Could be that, I guess, but whatever it is, these WR's can't catch for shite compared to elite college passing WR groups.

I agree that it is all about working on catching the ball with these guys. The mental and concentration part also comes from hundreds of hours spent on the jugs machine concentrating on making every catch. With these guys every pass play is an adventure and a challenge. No such thing as a routine catch here

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Could be that, I guess, but whatever it is, these WR's can't catch for shite compared to elite college passing WR groups.

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the fact that there are no WR's in on every series doesnt help them get in any sort if rhythm. It shouldnt matter, but it does.

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My best guess from looking at game performance would be 500 to 1000 max. Should get close to that many reps in a week

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so you have no idea.

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He also walked the field before every game and memorized spots with bad footing. He would run his routes so defenders ran over those spots and slipped.

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Berry knew a football field like it was his living room. When he was coaching, demonstrating a sideline pattern to his WRs, he was a step out of bounds three plays in a row. He demanded the practice field be measured.

It was three yards too narrow.

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so you have no idea.

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Your opinion is that I have no idea. My opinion is that unless these WR's are completely uncoordinated (they're not), they are getting only the minimal reps in practice - no athlete could look that bad with adequate reps (in-practice and another 100 reps a day of personal practice).

50 to 100 reps a week in team practice is in the normal range for a WR (sometimes less). Anything over the norm is on the WR to find the time to accomplish.

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I liked the WR drill Cam Cameron instituted where players would stand behind the padded goalpost and catch hard thrown balls with only their hands.

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That is a great drill. Hadn't heard of it. Thanks

It does appear that LSU WR's are being taught (or permitted) to let the ball hit their bodies and pads instead of catching the ball with their hands.

Sure, there are some situations that call for a "cradle" or "basket" catch, but elite WR's catch the ball with their hands on 90% of their catches.

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LSU has strong athletes at WR. No excuse for their D-minus catching "skills".

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This year has reminded me so much of 2005 with Dwayne Bowe and Early Doucet et all. JaMarcus Russell was throwing dimes most of the year, and his WR corps acted as if he was throwing them bags of dog shite that were on fire. It was like they were knocking them down rather than trying to make catches. So many drive killers that year when he'd hit a guy in stride on a 2nd and long which would have been an obvious first down to move the chains only to go back to 3rd and long and then fail to convert.

In that case, Bowe got Lasik and I guess and who knows what happened with Doucet, but the drops became far less of an issue in year 2 of them being together.