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Posted on 10/2/18 at 8:35 pm to Storm Warning
Then why did the top 3 schools (UGA, tOSU, & Texas) each sign > 25 last year?
YOU CAN SIGN MORE THAN 25 in a class if you didn’t have 25 initial counters (including transfers) in the previous class, and you have room under the full team 85 scholly limit.
YOU CAN SIGN MORE THAN 25 in a class if you didn’t have 25 initial counters (including transfers) in the previous class, and you have room under the full team 85 scholly limit.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:21 pm to alumni95
Honestly, I'm starting to think some of these people are just trolling at this point.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 10:06 pm to alumni95
quote:I think confusion reigns till the last minute because of who 247 lists. And they still go by "enrollees", which doesn't make 2 shits anymore.
YOU CAN SIGN MORE THAN 25 in a class if you didn’t have 25 initial counters (including transfers) in the previous class, and you have room under the full team 85 scholly limit.
They show us with 22 last year, which includes 2 transfers (Lewis, Traore) but leaves out Burrow and Tracy. Which means, as I sit here now, if can't remember another transfer (because they aren't showing them as part of '18 class) I would think we can sign 26 this year (providing we have 1 EE).
Note: using this as an example... we did have another transfer, T. Alexander. We're at the 25. Unless I just confused myself.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:51 pm to I20goon
You are correct. We used up all 25 last(/this) year, including the transfers to make that total. And all transfers have been money and worth the cost of “initial qualifiers” for Class of 2018.
You are also correct in that the numbers are now somewhat “hidden” since the transfers aren’t neatly listed with the recruiting class in many cases,
You are also correct in that the numbers are now somewhat “hidden” since the transfers aren’t neatly listed with the recruiting class in many cases,
This post was edited on 10/2/18 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:19 am to rstamp1
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:27 am to Buga
Once upon a time there were initial counters. Counters are athletes that receive scholarship aid. Initial counters are the ones that get it the first time. You didn't count unless you actually used the scholarship by attending a class. So if the athlete failed to qualify, changed his mind, or whatever, the school didn't get charged for the spot and they could fill it in the spring with an early entry.
What has changed is what they count. Now an athlete counts as soon as the school accepts the athletes signed LOI or, if no LOI, the signed scholarship paperwork. This is regardless of whether the athlete qualifies or changes his mind and doesn't show up.
What has not changed is that if the school hasn't fully filled their limit, they can fill it in the spring with early entries.
What has changed is what they count. Now an athlete counts as soon as the school accepts the athletes signed LOI or, if no LOI, the signed scholarship paperwork. This is regardless of whether the athlete qualifies or changes his mind and doesn't show up.
What has not changed is that if the school hasn't fully filled their limit, they can fill it in the spring with early entries.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:34 am to Indiana Tiger
My understanding is that the only way you can sign over your limit of 25 is if you didn't use your full 25 the previous year, and are able to early enroll. For instance, if you signed 22 in 2017, you could sign 28 in 2018 assuming that the 3 over the limit would all be early enrollee, and therefore able to be counted back against the previous class. Same works for transfers.
(Could be totally wrong, this is just how I perceived it.)
(Could be totally wrong, this is just how I perceived it.)
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:43 am to rstamp1
quote:
Bama has 3-4 they are getting rid of
That's a lot even for Saban.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:48 am to VolTiger13
quote:
My understanding is that the only way you can sign over your limit of 25 is if you didn't use your full 25 the previous year, and are able to early enroll. For instance, if you signed 22 in 2017, you could sign 28 in 2018 assuming that the 3 over the limit would all be early enrollee, and therefore able to be counted back against the previous class. Same works for transfers.
This is correct. Although you say, I just want to emphasize that it just looks like over signing. The only thing that is happening when a school "over signs," is that they have banked scholarships that they were due. As long as they have enough EEs, they can carry that bank forward as many years as they want.
This is pretty simple actually, but some very bad and incompetent articles were written (I'm looking at you 247) that propagated the myth that 25 was an absolute hard cap--use it or lose it. I think they are still out there too.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 10:14 am to Indiana Tiger
Dilly dilly to Vol & Indiana Tiger... nailed it.
Now we just need their summaries stickied to the top of this board and some system to force posters to read and accept these definitions as terms before posting on this board.
Now we just need their summaries stickied to the top of this board and some system to force posters to read and accept these definitions as terms before posting on this board.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:45 am to Indiana Tiger
quote:
I think they are still out there too.
Yep. Definitely not hard to find an article by Sonny Shipp from last November with the bad information.
quote:
As long as they have enough EEs
Isn't there something that ties in with the December graduates, too? Or did I fabricate that part in my head? My recollection was that in order to "back count" you needed to have an equal number of guys who graduated in December.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:47 am to alumni95
quote:
ow we just need their summaries stickied to the top of this board and some system to force posters to read and accept these definitions as terms before posting on this board.
Definitely. We've been saying for a year now that there's no hard cap and it's frustrating when people keep bringing it up. Then, of course, they link to those damn articles with the bad information.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:10 pm to whitefoot
quote:
Isn't there something that ties in with the December graduates, too?
It's related to the number of EEs you can take. The number of EEs is the space under 85 plus the number of players leaving the team who have graduated by Dec.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 1:26 pm to TheTexasTiger7
Can LSU just pull scholarship offers like that?
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 1:35 pm to dommanation
quote:
Can LSU just pull scholarship offers like that?
You mean as easily as a “committed” recruit just changes his mind?
ABSOLUTELY
There is nothing binding either side until LOI is accepted.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 2:04 pm to whitefoot
quote:
Definitely. We've been saying for a year now that there's no hard cap and it's frustrating when people keep bringing it up.
First of all why do you take this so personally. Sometimes rules can be confusing.
Second, I was mistaken. I thought the initial post on this topic was stating that if not all 25 were used last year then whatever number of unused could simply be added to this year I agree more than 25 can be signed, but only if those over 25 are early enrolees.
My comments were not trolling as some claimed but a simple mistake which I admit. It would be nice if some people on this board would just respond to the issue and post without all of the ad hominen attacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion and also a right to be wrong.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 2:24 pm to tigersbb
quote:
First of all why do you take this so personally. Sometimes rules can be confusing.
I don't take it personally and I'm not the one who said you didn't know what the frick you were talking about.
I am the one who accused you of being a troll, because you were told like 3 different times that you were wrong about the hard cap and you kept insisting that you were correct.
At some point, we have to consider the possibility that you're just messing with us, right?
Posted on 10/3/18 at 2:41 pm to tigersbb
I was the one who said you didn't know what the frick you were talking about. Didn't take it personally; was just trying to yell through your arrogant ignorance. Let's review the tape:
Then you posted this bullshite:
What an arrogant ignorant snowflake you are.
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rstamp1: Bama has 3-4 they are getting rid of and they can sign a total of 28 with 3 back counting to last class.
tigersbb: nope, rules have changed,
rstamp1: You can still sign over 25. If you had open spots the previous year early enrollees can count towards the previous class.
tigersbb: Not any more , all classes are limited to 25 in a given recruiting year, If LSU had not signed Burrow and Alexander this summer they would still only be able to sign 25 in this class.
Indiana Tiger: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE frick YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. The backcounting rules have not changed. (eta: Thought yelling might get your attention, but...)
tigersbb: Nope, going forward beginning with 2019 class the limit is 25 regardless of the numbers signed the prior year. Still limited to 85 total.
Indiana Tiger: Link the rule that says that. Not some article written by some dumbass who didn't actually read the rules, but the actual rule.
Then you posted this bullshite:
quote:
First of all why do you take this so personally. Sometimes rules can be confusing.
Second, I was mistaken. I thought the initial post on this topic was stating that if not all 25 were used last year then whatever number of unused could simply be added to this year I agree more than 25 can be signed, but only if those over 25 are early enrolees.
My comments were not trolling as some claimed but a simple mistake which I admit. It would be nice if some people on this board would just respond to the issue and post without all of the ad hominen attacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion and also a right to be wrong.
What an arrogant ignorant snowflake you are.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 5:08 pm to Indiana Tiger
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