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re: 13 pass attempts of 20+ yards against Auburn is off the charts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:29 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:29 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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but I don't want to ignore the PI penalties - they can be game breakers]
I agree, but it's only 15 yards/spot foul in college. Drawing PI on a deep pass or a crossing route is equally beneficial. There is no added benefit of drawing PI 35 yards down the field.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:33 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I'll concede that there may be a qb out west or in Hawaii or somewhere with numbers like this. But if so, they are also WAY off the charts.
, just giving you shite.
The basic measurement of a passing game is contained in yards per attempt. If you're dinking and dunking the ball down the field, your YPA will suffer. If you're going deep at a poor completion rate, your YPA will suffer.
Hopefully the efficiency goes up over the rest of the season for Burrow.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:34 am to GRTiger
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Also agreed, I'm just talking about the comparison part of your post. I doubt PI is typically a huge issue in games, but apples to apples and all that.
Fair point. But when the DB's are doing 5 wind sprints late in the forth quarter, "grab and hope" may be all they have left.
The PI's were huge in the Auburn win. And if Coach E keeps flying WRs at opposing DBs, it may again be a huge factor.
I'm beginning to think Coach E is playing 3D chess out there.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:46 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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What's the national completion percentage for this stat? I don't know.
QB completion percentages are padded with screens and short throws, so I would imagine 20-plus yard throws are in the 30 percent range.
In the 30's to low 40's is about right over the long run. Drops more over 30 yards
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:47 am to SportTiger1
and we had a ton of 3rd and longs which will kill us against UGa and bama. we need positive yards on each play and keep clock running. need more post routes against cover 2. back shoulders. seams against cover 2 man under but it must be thrown in front of safety unless in cover 3. fades. the works. tons to work on.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:51 am to slackster
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I agree, but it's only 15 yards/spot foul in college. Drawing PI on a deep pass or a crossing route is equally beneficial. There is no added benefit of drawing PI 35 yards down the field.
The major advantage to the long ball is that there is far less DB traffic. It is almost always one on one. The DB usually has eyes on the WR (so can't see the ball). And a tipped ball has less chance of flopping into the hands of a back-up defender. MUCH safer than a slant.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:01 am to Fat Bastard
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and we had a ton of 3rd and longs which will kill us against UGa and bama. we need positive yards on each play and keep clock running. need more post routes against cover 2. back shoulders. seams against cover 2 man under but it must be thrown in front of safety unless in cover 3. fades. the works. tons to work on.
Can't argue with anything you said. However, we're talking about a QB, WR's, and an OC who had never met each other 6 months ago. Most QB's and WR's get thousands of practice reps before they get game reps. Not so bad, IMO - all things considered.
Let's see what happens in the next 3 games. I think we'll see significant improvements in all aspects of the passing game.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I think I heard O say this week that their goal is 2 “deep balls” per quarter
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Steve aired it out. It was refreshing.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:06 am to Alt26
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But right now, LSU's receivers are getting very little separation.
This, but also Burrow is not making good choices with the deep ball. (as far as who's open)
More film and game experience should fix that though.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:14 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Do you have info how many of these were on 3rd or 4th down (when we were “forced” to throw for 20+) versus when we choose to throw deep?
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Can't argue with anything you said. However, we're talking about a QB, WR's, and an OC who had never met each other 6 months ago. Most QB's and WR's get thousands of practice reps before they get game reps. Not so bad, IMO - all things considered.
Let's see what happens in the next 3 games. I think we'll see significant improvements in all aspects of the passing game.
hopefully by UGA we will have all that worked out and be ready to throw anything at them and be able to counter when they make adjustments. if we can get our two big guys clicking with burrow we can be a matchup nightmare for defenses.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:19 am to Buckeye Jeaux
like i've been saying
against auburn:
17 yd avg
8 completions over 10 yds - 53%
if i were an auburn fan this week, i would not be happy with steele. they let a first year starter on a new team with a new coordinator and lots of new faces have those stats and have 2 late scoring drives to win the game at their own house.
bama fans and national personalities can keep harping on the overall completion percentage but, he's effectively getting the ball downfield to multiple receivers.
overall (taking out 2nd half against miami and slu):
14 yd avg
19 completions over 10 yds - 53%
against auburn:
17 yd avg
8 completions over 10 yds - 53%
if i were an auburn fan this week, i would not be happy with steele. they let a first year starter on a new team with a new coordinator and lots of new faces have those stats and have 2 late scoring drives to win the game at their own house.
bama fans and national personalities can keep harping on the overall completion percentage but, he's effectively getting the ball downfield to multiple receivers.
overall (taking out 2nd half against miami and slu):
14 yd avg
19 completions over 10 yds - 53%
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:20 am to Tigerpaul1969
quote:if you look at the placement, pretty much every pass was in the catchable window. if there wasn't pi, the passing stats might have been better. instead of getting 15 from the los, there might have been some huge gains
Those CBs were stressed and worn out and grasping in desperation.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:23 am to bfniii
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if i were an auburn fan this week, i would not be happy with steele. they let a first year starter on a new team with a new coordinator and lots of new faces have those stats and have 2 late scoring drives to win the game at their own house.
where steele messed up is even on those 3rd and longs joe had time to throw. I would have blitzed him and made him prove he could make a good quick decision to throw a slant or a quick seam in man coverage while under duress. see if burrow can torch us or see if he would audible to a screen if he read blitz. on that 3rd down QB keeper we shoulda have audibled to a screen. we would have torched that blitz. pre snap was showing blitz and they did blitz.
get ready because kirby and saban will blitz the shite out of us until we can prove we can burn them for big plays.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:26 am to bfniii
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if you look at the placement, pretty much every pass was in the catchable window. if there wasn't pi, the passing stats might have been better. instead of getting 15 from the los, there might have been some huge gains
yep agreed. if we keep rotating 6 WR's we can keep running at a certain Db and wear him down. but we also need burrow to develop some chemistry with a couple we can depend on like anderson and sullivan.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:06 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Here are NFL deep ball stats from the Deep Ball Project from last year. It shows actual completion percentage and has an adjusted ACC/ATT which is the accuracy per attempt percentage. Essentially accurate throws that could have been caught, but were dropped or PI call, etc...
Joe stats for the game would have been...
3/13 = 23% completion rate
After watching all the throws... youtube I calculate Joe's ACC/ATT to be
8/13 = 61.5% ACC/ATT
You have 3 completions + 2 PI calls that I consider accurate + 3 passes to Giles that could have been caught.
Football Outsiders
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ACC/ATT is Accuracy percentage takes a look at whether the pass was or wasn't accurate, regardless whether it was caught.There is a wider variety of scenarios that play into accurate passes aside from the typical uncontested drop. These include:
- Typical drops.
- Plays where the receiver fails to win at the catch point despite being given a reasonable angle to catch the ball.
- Plays where the receiver fails to keep two feet in bounds or in the end zone.
- Plays where the receiver stops or runs the wrong route. (These can be subjective or hard to dissect from miscommunications at first glance.)
- Plays where the receiver catches the ball but can't control the ball as he hits the ground.
- Plays where the receiver catches the ball but has it knocked out of his hands.
Joe stats for the game would have been...
3/13 = 23% completion rate
After watching all the throws... youtube I calculate Joe's ACC/ATT to be
8/13 = 61.5% ACC/ATT
You have 3 completions + 2 PI calls that I consider accurate + 3 passes to Giles that could have been caught.
Football Outsiders
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:13 am to Trauma14
if we were batting in mlb that would be pretty good, I don't know if these numbers are great.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:37 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Got to give Coach E credit for guts all day and especially on that last drive. He was going for it with deep passes. Got 2 two penalties when receivers broke open. That last one set up the FG. Got seam, fades, come backs and over the middle routes into the passing game.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:38 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Slinger gonna sling it
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 11:39 am
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