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The O line is not the entire reason for the offensive stalemate

Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:09 pm
Posted by TigerJ7
Member since Aug 2018
149 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:09 pm
E should go with the plays that are short strike and don't need 3-4 seconds of protection. Of course it would be nice to have a perfect o line; however, not many do. It all comes down to offensive play calling and working with what the defense gives you.

If they blitz 6 every time you change the damn play to counter. It's just not practical to put everything on the fatties. E needs to plan ahead for this but I'm guessing he has nothing installed for the looks he has seen defensively.

What's a logical answer with what we have?
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 7:00 pm
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32638 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:12 pm to
Completely agree. A spread would take advantage of our WRs and QB and reduce the requirements of our O Line. But E and O are stuck in the Miles way of thinking on offense
Posted by bstew3006
318
Member since Dec 2007
12984 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:13 pm to
Has to call a quicker/shorter route tree.

If you have protection issues, call quick developing pass routes and use the damn rb in the passing game.

If they dink and dunk it will allow you to take 4-5 deep shots in the game and slow the pass rush
Posted by William G
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
1496 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:13 pm to
Os Prob just watching Ozark season 2 laughing at people talking shite on here .

O is basically a younger Les Miles. Obviously they are different cats but they need DC/OC.

SE was NOT the answer at OC. LSU has enough talent to still win 9 games. With a dominant O line and a decent playcaller we can play with anyone.
Posted by LSU4Life12
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2016
1889 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:18 pm to
You make an amazing point bud but I'm sorry, nothing of that desire will happen unless this OLine gets figured out. To me, it seems the right side of the line is the weak link. Traore can't move his feet to save his damn life and saying Lewis was the best lineman we have is the biggest load of bullshite I've ever seen. Either McGee or Deculus takes RT and whoever loses needs to take Lewis' spot. They have not caught up to SEC speed apparently
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
20281 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:30 pm to
You're right. I watched an a+m OL that is completely outclassed by Clemson's DL have success all night by coming up with a cohesive offensive gameplan that was balanced and well executed considering the opponent.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33884 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

But E and O are stuck in the Miles way of thinking on offense


O has zero clue of what offense he wants to run. All he knows is that he wants it to "look like" USC circa 2000-2006 or so (of course he doesn't take into account that Reggie Bush and the multitude of other all americans aren't on LSU's current team). O's offensive philosophy is "Hey. They're good. Do what they do!" even though he doesn't understand schematically "what they do."

The hope is that Ensminger isn't so set in his ways that he refuses to adapt game by game. He should feel absolutely no pressure not to do so either. What's the worst that can happen? He gets fired as OC...a job he really didn't want anyway?

O's not firing Ensminger, because doing so would be him admitting he is a buffoon (2 OC's in two years) after selling himself as the HC would would bring in the best OC in college football There may not be an OC in college football who has less pressure than Steve. He may as well just let it rip.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94650 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

E should go with the plays that are short strike and don't need 3-4 seconds of protection.


While I agree there needs to be at least one slant option, out, hot route on every deeper play, there is a lot of risk throwing those short, quick passes - if the accuracy isn't there, a team that plays aggressively on those (Miami, Bama, etc.) is going to have some pick 6 opportunities.

It is not something you can just "do" casually, it has to be at least part of who you are to do that well.

And protection is part of that - if your OL collapses and the QB has to get it out without going through (even abbreviated) progressions, that's exactly when the interceptions will happen.

quote:

It's just not practical to put everything on the fatties.


I agree - the blocking scheme needs to adjust to your personnel as well as the defense's personnel and scheme. Unlike defense, which largely relies on individual ability to react and physicality, an offense is a system - 11 players making up a whole.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
18868 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

You make an amazing point bud but I'm sorry, nothing of that desire will happen unless this OLine gets figured out. To me, it seems the right side of the line is the weak link. Traore can't move his feet to save his damn life and saying Lewis was the best lineman we have is the biggest load of bullshite I've ever seen.
Both of our sacks vs. SLU came from the left (offensive left) in max protect.
Posted by vince vega
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2014
821 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 3:00 pm to
Tiger J 7

Jonathan, is that you?
Posted by TigerJ7
Member since Aug 2018
149 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

You're right. I watched an a+m OL that is completely outclassed by Clemson's DL have success all night by coming up with a cohesive offensive gameplan that was balanced and well executed considering the opponent.


Exactly what I was getting at. Just seems E hasn't prepared at ALL for the sell out blitz packages other teams will of course throw at a NEW QB.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

The O line is not the enitre rason for the offensive stalemate

1. We can't run routes
2. E needs to get better at play calling to improve 3rd down conversion %
3. QB needs to improve completion %
4. O needs to stay away from the offense
and.......
O Line sux
Posted by Tigurs68
Member since Feb 2018
18 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:50 pm to
why would we think a tight end coach who has been at LSU for years, most of them under Les Miles, could install an offense like the elites in the conference have done? Where would he have learned it at and where would he have had experience in running such an offense?
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11011 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

The O line is not the enitre rason


Holy shite
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60576 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

What's a logical answer with what we have?

Practice with an intensity and demand for the details to be done correctly. Not having some kind of theme pre designed for each day.

Tell the truth Monday, what the frick does that mean. How about we hit the field today to fix shite, not waste another day talking about it.

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60576 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:12 pm to
Why would we think the TE coach under Miles could install a great offense? The same reason we thought a DL coach could compete with Nick Saban.
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