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So when does McMurphy start investigating what Herman knew?
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:36 am
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:36 am
Wouldn’t Herman have had the same title 9 verbiage in his contract and therefor be obligated to report what he knew? Doesn’t the question need to be at least asked “when you and Zach were drinking buddies were you ever aware of his domestic abuse?”. Then review text between the two to see if he’s telling the truth? Or does McMurphy only care that urban knew and did nothing?
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Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:37 am to PT24-7
Yesterday baw. You'd be a bad investigator.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:48 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Did someone ask Herman yesterday? I didn’t see his answer, my bad
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:51 am to PT24-7
I'm not defending Meyer by any means. I think he's a disingenuous at they come. But for a bad as the investigative report was, this will all eventually blow over if OSU keeps winning. It will always hang around Meyer, but I suspect neither he nor OSU will really care if he is competing for national titles.
McMurphy is now still just an unemployed sportswriter who is furious he didn't get the big scalp he was hoping for. No question he is going to try to get one from someone else, but I don't know if Herman is that guy. What is Texas going to do? Investigate Herman because he went to a titty bar or because of things that happened at OSU? As long as it doesn't directly involve Texas, they aren't going to bother with it.
McMurphy is now still just an unemployed sportswriter who is furious he didn't get the big scalp he was hoping for. No question he is going to try to get one from someone else, but I don't know if Herman is that guy. What is Texas going to do? Investigate Herman because he went to a titty bar or because of things that happened at OSU? As long as it doesn't directly involve Texas, they aren't going to bother with it.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:54 am to PT24-7
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So when does McMurphy start investigating what Herman knew?
When Herman was Smith's boss when he was first accused of domestic violence by his then-fiance in 2009. Or maybe when he was Smith's boss again in 2015 when it supposedly happened again. Or when he kept him on staff despite various other incidents/when the news come to light.
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Wouldn’t Herman have had the same title 9 verbiage in his contract and therefor be obligated to report what he knew?
Well apparently, Meyer didn't share that Smith had been accused of domestic abuse when he hired him; it also appears that Ohio State's background check didn't uncover that information either. Then Herman was hired by Houston on December 15, 2014. Zach Smith's 2015 incidents happened in October/November 2015. So it seems like Herman didn't know about Zach Smith's past.
So you're totally off on the timeline.
This post was edited on 8/29/18 at 8:56 am
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:10 am to PT24-7
Hopefully McMurphy finds his booger sugar dealer
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:13 am to bbrownso
So who asked Herman about this? What was his comment?
Or was none of this asked bc this was really about getting Meyer and not about the woman?
Or was none of this asked bc this was really about getting Meyer and not about the woman?
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:19 am to PT24-7
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So who asked Herman about this? What was his comment?
Or was none of this asked bc this was really about getting Meyer and not about the woman?
I don't know what, if anything, was asked to Tom Herman. Then again, I don't see how he's the responsible party given that he wasn't the head coach at Ohio State or employed by Ohio State when Smith's incident(s) happened in 2015.
Now, if you want to talk about the 2009 incident when Smith was on Meyer's staff at Florida, it appears that Meyer didn't inform Ohio State of that situation and that Ohio State didn't discover it during their background check. And I doubt that Smith was bragging about it with the other coaches. So I don't know if Herman had any knowledge of the domestic violence allegation from 2009.
So how exactly do you feel Tom Herman is responsible for Zach Smith?
This post was edited on 8/29/18 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:24 am to bbrownso
Is Herman not under title 9 obligation as a coach with college athletics?
Why do you keep bringing up OSU and Meyer? That investigation has happened, now doesn’t McMurphy have an obligation to follow the facts of that to see who else knew and did nothing?
Why do you keep bringing up OSU and Meyer? That investigation has happened, now doesn’t McMurphy have an obligation to follow the facts of that to see who else knew and did nothing?
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:32 am to PT24-7
I'm not sure why yall keep repeating this, but this DV situation didn't fall under the perview of Title IX.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:38 am to PT24-7
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Is Herman not under title 9 obligation as a coach with college athletics?
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
Neither Meyer (nor Smith logically speaking) told Ohio State about the 2009 incident. I doubt Smith was sharing that anecdote with the other coaches at Ohio State. The latest incidents (in 2015) happened AFTER Herman had left Ohio State to be Houston's head coach. Ergo, what exactly do you think Herman had to report?
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Why do you keep bringing up OSU and Meyer?
OSU - because they seem to have no knowledge of the prior (i.e. 2009) incident. Logically speaking, this should extend to the other coaches at Ohio State with an important exception. Then again, they did know about the 2015 incidents but stayed inactive til news broke (which seems to have forced their hand).
Urban Meyer - this is the exception (that I'm aware of). Meyer admitted to knowing (and even meeting with Smith) after the 2009 incident. He's also the head coach who hired and fires his staff (for the most part). He has had the most time to reflect on Smith's actions/behavior.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:42 am to PT24-7
Herman wasn't at OSU when the 2015 incidents happened. He has no reporting requirements for them as a result.
I don't know what McMurphy would go after. The strip club thing may be a little embarassing, but the big issue with Smith happened after Herman left.
Plus, with OSU digging in that the internal reporting process was ok and only punishing Urban with his conduct in the investigation, Herman is protected there as it relates to the 2009 thing.
I don't know what McMurphy would go after. The strip club thing may be a little embarassing, but the big issue with Smith happened after Herman left.
Plus, with OSU digging in that the internal reporting process was ok and only punishing Urban with his conduct in the investigation, Herman is protected there as it relates to the 2009 thing.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 10:18 am to Alt26
Wrong and Wrong. Brett McMurphy was hired by the Stadium and this story is not going away. Especially if they get a hold of those deleted texts
Posted on 8/29/18 at 10:48 am to bbrownso
You are doing a lot of explaining of what you THINK happened. What I’m saying is why no one has even bothered asking “Tom is it true you hung out with Zach in a strip club in 2015 and we’re you aware of the domestic abuse?”
That’s all I’m asking for
That’s all I’m asking for
Posted on 8/29/18 at 10:57 am to texag7
How many threads you gonna say this in you sharp tooth frick?
Posted on 8/29/18 at 11:18 am to PT24-7
Where does this end? What if Herman knew, and told his wife? What about Urb’s wife? What about her circle of friends? Maybe the family dog?
I’m not saying everybody is innocent or guilty. Who knows? But if you REALLY want to stop this stuff, this situation in particular, then the victim needs to help. The victim has to step up, as tough as it may be.
I’m not saying everybody is innocent or guilty. Who knows? But if you REALLY want to stop this stuff, this situation in particular, then the victim needs to help. The victim has to step up, as tough as it may be.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 12:28 pm to PT24-7
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You are doing a lot of explaining of what you THINK happened. What I’m saying is why no one has even bothered asking “Tom is it true you hung out with Zach in a strip club in 2015 and we’re you aware of the domestic abuse?”
The answer would be "No, that's not true." THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T AT A STRIP CLUB TOGETHER IN 2015 (at least not that anyone knows about). LINK
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Ohio State: Tom Herman was with Zach Smith at strip club in 2014
Tom Herman left Ohio State to be Houston's head coach in Dec. 2014
Zach Smith's incidents occurred in Oct/Nov 2015.
The reason no one has asked that question is that it doesn't really make sense given what we've found out. Meyer didn't inform Ohio State (so I doubt he told the coaches about Smith's 2009 incident). Ohio State didn't find it so they probably didn't discuss it with the assistant coaches either. And I very much doubt Zach Smith was sharing the anecdote for laughs.
Now we're onto assuming the wives discussed it AND then discussed it with their husbands. Ohio State with weeks of investigation didn't feel confident enough to say that Urban and Shelley Meyer discussed it. How can we make that assumption logically? Especially when it would have concerned something that was years old or something not enough to warrant involving the police.
So logically speaking, your line of reasoning for the question seems poorly thought out.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 12:58 pm to bbrownso
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Now we're onto assuming the wives discussed it AND then discussed it with their husbands. Ohio State with weeks of investigation didn't feel confident enough to say that Urban and Shelley Meyer discussed it. How can we make that assumption logically? Especially when it would have concerned something that was years old or something not enough to warrant involving the police.
So logically speaking, your line of reasoning for the question seems poorly thought out.
I don't think its poorly thought out at all. You're making it way more complicated than it is. A guy is hanging out at clubs with a co worker who's had a history of domestic violence accusations. Is there a reason no one is allowed to ask "did you know"?
Seems like in todays media environment where nothing is off limits this question wouldn't have to be justified.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 1:24 pm to PT24-7
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McMurphy
No one should give a shite what this scumbag has to say about anything.
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