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CNN: Michael Cohen is not going to cooperate with government

Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:39 pm

So much for him “flipping”
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
Member since Sep 2017
4803 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:40 pm to
So this is just opening up his options. He is not giving up info?
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73351 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:43 pm to
Taking a plea deal means not having to go through the expensive trial process
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68486 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:45 pm to
Huh?

What the frick kind of plea deal is this? Cohen doesn't "flip" or rat anyone out......oh yeah Gubmit deal...got it
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:49 pm to
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Huh?

What the frick kind of plea deal is this? Cohen doesn't "flip" or rat anyone out......oh yeah Gubmit deal...got it


Uh what? Prosecutors do this ALL OF THE TIME. Why risk a jury trial to get 10 years or possibly 0 years , if the defendant is thinking "why risk 10 years when I can accept 2?" Happens ALL the time.

In fact more plea deals happen this way then happen because the person is getting a light sentence in exchange for information about someone else, FAR more.

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
163119 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:55 pm to
twitter thinks that he is flipping on Trump for sures Maddow told them so.
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
Member since Sep 2017
4803 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:56 pm to
Twitter is crazy. OP is correct. Great news for Trump. I was never concerned about muh Russia, but SDNY could have been problematic.
Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
2728 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:57 pm to
I think both the SC and Cohen see how risky a trail would be by looking at how screwed up the Manafort trial has become.

Both take their "win" and plead out.

More surprised at how many of these are financial crimes and how nothing is tied to politics...
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4891 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:57 pm to
Or get pardoned.. lol
Posted by indianswim
Plano, TX
Member since Jan 2010
21548 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:57 pm to
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twitter thinks that he is flipping on Trump for sures Maddow told them so.





That was a night to behold!
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68486 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:58 pm to
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Uh what? Prosecutors do this ALL OF THE TIME.

But it's being touted as a plea deal as in Cohen will give them something for less time in jail/probation/etc.

quote:

Prosecutors do this ALL OF THE TIME

I know
quote:

Why risk a jury trial to get 10 years or possibly 0 years , if the defendant is thinking "why risk 10 years when I can accept 2?" Happens ALL the time.

Again yes I know
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
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Member since Feb 2004
52841 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:01 pm to
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But it's being touted as a plea deal




That is what a pleas deal is

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as in Cohen will give them something for less time in jail/probation/etc.


This is something different. This is more along the lines of a sentencing deal.


So, I am charged with Murder (facing Life).....I deal to Manslaughter (Facing 15 to 25)….I agree to help prosecutor by testifying against the one who paid me(Sentence recommendation of 15 with parole chance at 5)
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 1:02 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
136060 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:02 pm to
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CNN: Michael Cohen is not going to cooperate with government

So much for him “flipping”

Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39603 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:03 pm to
So what's Cohen going to testify to? That Donald Trump payed off Karen McDougal 10 years ago?

WTF cares?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
94591 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:06 pm to
Lol at Tigerindc09
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21970 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:08 pm to
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Huh?

What the frick kind of plea deal is this? Cohen doesn't "flip" or rat anyone out......oh yeah Gubmit deal...got it
that's what you get when you have a bad case. Da doesn't want an L on his scorecard, accused didn't want to drain life savings paying for a trial defense
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:28 pm to
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But it's being touted as a plea deal as in Cohen will give them something for less time in jail/probation/etc.



You are confused sir. A plea deal is ANY TIME a defendant agrees to plead guilty in exchange for a certain sentence. The motivation for accepting the deal is irrelevant.

Now, that being said, it is certainly true that some in the media are once again being dishonest and pretending that simply because a plea deal was reached that proves that Cohen flipped on the President.

In actuality that's not how that works at all. Prosecutors normally do one of two things when they want testimony from one person about another person. Either they A) offer full immunity (and you can bet someone who had proof that Trump committed a crime would be offered full immunity) or they secure a conviction and then offer a recommendation for reduced sentencing, rarely is the plea deal ever used to get cooperation, if ever because why would someone agree to spend ANY time in prison in exchange for proof that the President, in this case, committed a crime? NO one one, any reasonable lawyer would say "nah nah we get immunity if you want that"


Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
23750 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:33 pm to
Because he got nothing on trump and they are only interested in taking down Trump.
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
Member since Sep 2017
4803 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:33 pm to
MSNBC is now reporting that this is in relation to the Trump hush money.
Posted by PresidentJerry
Oakdale
Member since Aug 2018
53 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:38 pm to
If Trump didn't do anything wrong, then why does it even matter what Cohen does?

If theres a possibility he could "flip", then Trump did something wrong. If not, what is everyone worried about?
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