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re: John Bonham On The Beatles
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:43 pm to geauxbrown
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:43 pm to geauxbrown
quote:think again
And I can promise you no one in the Beatles would have said a damned thing to him about it either.
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George Harrison was more noted for hanging out with Zep than any other Beatle, that’s for certain. At John Bonham’s 25th birthday party, it was Harrison who started the debauchery all because he knew the nature of the beast he was about to enter.. so instead of bowing his head and succumbing to what he knew was to come (this WAS John Bonhams party after all…enough said) George decided to take the bull by the horns and get things going. When a photo op. presented itself, Harrison grabbed the top tier of Bonham’s birthday cake and heaved it at the guest of honor. Pandemonium ensued with Bonham throwing anyone he could find into the swimming pool, Harrison included. Jimmy Page, who could not swim and was dressed in a truly expensive lavender suit.. gave up and simply walked slowly and gallantly into the pool, fully dressed. It was hilarious.
On another note, it was also George Harrison who is given credit for The Rain Song. He commented to Jimmy that the trouble with Zep is that there’s not enough ballads. Jimmy wrote The Rain Song, and some say purposefully added the first 2 chords of Harrison’s "Something” as the intro to “The Rain Song”. Upon initial listening, one cannot argue with that logic. No doubt it is true.“
Have read other places that Harrison was rather in awe of Bonham, Page, and Jones as musicians, to the point of socially interacting with them. While the OP's statement mighty be true (not taken out of context). It sounds at least like this Beatle got along fine with him.
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:43 pm to MidnightVibe
Sounds like more of a commentary on the audience, not the Beatles themselves.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:51 pm to JuiceTerry
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Bonzo probably saw the Beatles when they were singing I Saw Her Standing There to teeny bopper.
No, he probably saw them in dives like the Cavern Club, where they were playing for anything but teeny boppers.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:54 pm to hogcard1964
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I remember when the Beatles ripped off close to their entire catalogue from old dead blues guys and only gave them credit after they were forced to in court.
Oh no, wait never mind, that was Zeppelin.
You have to laugh when people that don't know squat about a band try and post in topics about that band.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:56 pm to hogcard1964
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He was in a band that the lead guitarist raked a violin bow across his guitar on stage.
Sigur Ros is fricking fantastic. Anyone who says otherwise can suck Jonsi's dick. He won't mind. He's sort of into that kind of thing.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 4:08 pm to awestruck
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Paul McCartney (The Beatles) and David Gilmour (Pink Floyd) in a Led Zeppelin concert - 1975
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:19 pm to hogcard1964
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I remember when the Beatles ripped off close to their entire catalogue from old dead blues guys and only gave them credit after they were forced to in court.
Oh no, wait never mind, that was Zeppelin.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:23 pm to awestruck
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Have read other places that Harrison was rather in awe of Bonham, Page, and Jones as musicians, to the point of socially interacting with them. While the OP's statement mighty be true (not taken out of context). It sounds at least like this Beatle got along fine with him.
No, I agree with you. I was simply pointing out that John was a very large man who drank large amounts of alcohol and had a penchant for destroying things that weren't nailed down.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:45 pm to Marciano1
LZ was a great band, for sure in the top 5 all time. But, they aren't or will NEVER BE on the level of The Beatles.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:25 am to TigerNlc
That picture was actually at 1976 Knebworth.
Thestrut.com Article
Given the time of day of the photograph, it is highly possible they were watching Lynyrd Skynyrd's historic set that day.
Thestrut.com Article
Given the time of day of the photograph, it is highly possible they were watching Lynyrd Skynyrd's historic set that day.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:34 pm to TigerNlc
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Is this his way of coming out of the coffin ?
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John Bonham
Date of death: September 25, 1980 Place of death: Clewer, United Kingdom
Cause of death: Inhalation of vomit
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 7/18/18 at 7:58 am to hogcard1964
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I remember when the Beatles ripped off close to their entire catalogue from old dead blues guys and only gave them credit after they were forced to in court. Oh no, wait never mind, that was .
The rolling Stones
Pink Floyd ( named after Pink Anderson and Floyd Council- two southern bluesman)
The Beatles
The Yardbird
Elvis Presley
Jerry Lee Lewis
and even the mighty Led Zeppelin.
It was the blues explosion in the early 60's that created rock and roll. All of these bands did I,IV,V progressions and electrified and distorted blues songs.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:42 am to randybobandy
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The rolling Stones Pink Floyd ( named after Pink Anderson and Floyd Council- two southern bluesman) The Beatles The Yardbird Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis and even the mighty Led Zeppelin. It was the blues explosion in the early 60's that created rock and roll. All of these bands did I,IV,V progressions and electrified and distorted blues songs.
True, but of the performers you mentioned, Zeppelin was the only one that regularly attempted to claim credit for songs that weren't theirs.
It's been well documented that between a third to close to half of their catalogue was ripped off.
I'm not saying they didn't have talent as musicians. I'm claiming they didn't have talent as song writers. They just didn't.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 10:43 am
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:28 pm to hogcard1964
It wasn't just blues musicians that they ripped off either. I'm a big Zep fan too, but facts are facts.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:36 pm to hogcard1964
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Zeppelin was the only one that regularly attempted to claim credit for songs that weren't theirs.
It is a weird thing that stands out about them. Elvis, Carl Perkins, The Beatles, The Stones, The Floyd, certainly all the black rock acts from the Golden Age of Rock and Roll, etc., they all EMBRACED the black blues origins of rock. Celebrated it. Couldn't stop talking about it. Even the Yardbirds (ultimately taken over by Page and converted into Zeppelin) did this to a degree.
But, it was like Zeppelin wanted to wear the blues like a jacket and not disclose where they got that jacket.
Bizarre. I used to give a nod to the notion that maybe the drugs fogged up their memories, particularly Page who was the primary musical composer (with Plant handling most of the lyric writing), but upon hindsight, that could have been naiveté on my part.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:09 pm to hogcard1964
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I'm claiming they didn't have talent as song writers. They just didn't
Kashmir
Stairway
Ten Years gone
Since I been lovin you
When the levee breaks
All my Love
No Quarter
Goin to California
Houses of the Holy
The Rover
Over the Hills and far away
Achilles Last stand
Fool in the Rain
Black Dog
Dancing Days
The Ocean
The freakin Rain Song for frick sake......
Yep they had no talent as songwriters.
:spank:Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:59 pm to randybobandy
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When the levee breaks
Randy - you might be missing portions of this discussion.
For example, When the Levee Breaks was not written by Led Zeppelin, or individually by any of its members.
It was written by Algiers native, Memphis Minnie and her husband, Kansas Joe McCoy and originally recorded by McCoy in 1929. Minnie, in particular, was a prolific songwriter and had dozens, if not over 100, of recorded compositions.
One of her songs was covered by the Jefferson Airplane, My and My Chauffeur Blues, and was a minor hit for them in the 1960s. Of course, she was not originally credited by Jefferson Airplane and blues historians claim she received no royalties from it.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:16 pm to Ace Midnight
Ace, I know Memphis Minnie wrote the song. I think it was quite dissimilar from what LZ released in the 70's.
The lyrics in Led Zeppelin's version, credited to Memphis Minnie and the individual members of Led Zeppelin,[1] were partially based on the original recording. Many other artists have also recorded versions of the song or played it live.
It is like saying Bono wrote a song about a girl and it's an A,D E chord progression. Now the artist that wrote Peggy Sue 30 years ago gets the royalties. What makes it even harder is that many blues songs, riffs and beats were performed by many artists at the same time. Lighnin Hopkins and Bo Diddley both did a blues in A about a black Cadillac. Who wrote the song? Who gets royalties? Did they both steal it from Slim Harpo?? Who makes that decision? Especially when you're talking about travelin blues artists in the 20's and 30's who did not record and copywrite their songs. Did Led Zep borrow a couple of cool riffs from old blues masters and make these songs their own? Sure they did. And they did it brilliantly. I just hate that a lot of folks drink the koolaid and think Led Zep ripped off songs and profited off of others. They were great songwriters and put their own stamp on the blues rock world.
The lyrics in Led Zeppelin's version, credited to Memphis Minnie and the individual members of Led Zeppelin,[1] were partially based on the original recording. Many other artists have also recorded versions of the song or played it live.
It is like saying Bono wrote a song about a girl and it's an A,D E chord progression. Now the artist that wrote Peggy Sue 30 years ago gets the royalties. What makes it even harder is that many blues songs, riffs and beats were performed by many artists at the same time. Lighnin Hopkins and Bo Diddley both did a blues in A about a black Cadillac. Who wrote the song? Who gets royalties? Did they both steal it from Slim Harpo?? Who makes that decision? Especially when you're talking about travelin blues artists in the 20's and 30's who did not record and copywrite their songs. Did Led Zep borrow a couple of cool riffs from old blues masters and make these songs their own? Sure they did. And they did it brilliantly. I just hate that a lot of folks drink the koolaid and think Led Zep ripped off songs and profited off of others. They were great songwriters and put their own stamp on the blues rock world.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:21 pm to randybobandy
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Kashmir Stairway Ten Years gone Since I been lovin you When the levee breaks All my Love No Quarter Goin to California Houses of the Holy The Rover Over the Hills and far away Achilles Last stand Fool in the Rain Black Dog Dancing Days The Ocean The freakin Rain Song for frick sake......
I hate to break it to you, but several of those were ripped off.
LINK
LINK
...there's several more links out there.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:47 am to hogcard1964
I couldn't care less what they're accused of 'ripping off'. As with 'When The Levee Breaks', they took it to a whole other place and level with their musicianship and gobsmacking talents.
The end results they put on vinyl are so amazing, regardless of the inspiration, that it's just silly to try and denigrate them that much.
The end results they put on vinyl are so amazing, regardless of the inspiration, that it's just silly to try and denigrate them that much.
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