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re: And the left freaks out....Antifa related
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:19 am to Centinel
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:19 am to Centinel
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This is specifically written into the Constitution.
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This isn't.
You think that unless a right is specifically spelled out in the Constitution, it does not exist and government has the power to deny you that right?
I didn't know Joe Biden posted on the poli board.
Are you old enough to know what I'm referring to?
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:21 am to Centinel
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Why do you think we are able to amend the constitution?
God damn you are stupid.
And no better than the proggy idiots on this forum.
You're taking the point of view of Joe Biden, Teddy Kennedy, and the "proggy idiots." Do your homework. Ever heard of Robert Bork?
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:30 am to Wtodd
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Two groups go to Charlottesville. A big group chants racist filth, wields semi-automatic assault rifles, fires a gun into a crowd & murders a woman with a car. A small group wears masks," he wrote. "It’s the small group these Congressmen want to lock up for 15 years. Authoritarianism rises
Walter Shaub
A perfect summation
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 3:31 am
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:36 am to TexasTiger1984
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Actually, now that you mention it, didn't one of the Charlottesville guys get fired from his job b/c we was peacefully protesting with the 'bad guys'?
Found it...
Charlottesville Protester Fired from Job
This isn't that hard. Vermont is an at will state. He can be fired for any reason.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:38 am to TexasTiger1984
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News flash...you're not truly a small government conservative if you support a law that gives government more power.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:46 am to Salmon
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Authoritarian nonsense
Committing illegal acts is against the law whether someone is wearing a mask or not.
Protesting is not illegal.
Violence and destruction of property is illegal whether they are masked or not.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:48 am to Centinel
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It's amazing how people get all worked up about 'rights' until it's something that doesn't affect them personally. Then suddenly government overreach is perfectly acceptable.
The people in this thread are no better than the proggies who want to ban guns because they don't see a need for them and they're scary.
"I don't see a need to cover your face in public while protesting, and it scares me. So government banning it is ok."
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:58 am to bmy
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Are you okay with the government requiring you to wear a tracking chip? What about operating facial recognition databases and other info to create a real-time map showing your location? How about collecting your internet search history and creating a metaprofile on every citizen?
Politicians wanting less freedoms.. is very predictable
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:59 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:14 am to The Boat
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Democrats freaked out over unmasking laws in the 1960s because they were all in the KKK.
Now Democrats freak out over unmasking laws in the 2010s because they're all anitfa terrorists.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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And at least in some cases, the Klan actively supported Republican candidates. "Certainly, generating support for specific Republican presidential candidates or the Republican Party in general was not a primary goal of the Klan," the authors write, but "while the Klan was perhaps best known for its violent tactics in the 1960s, the movement did invest significant energy in attempting to influence voting outcomes … Klan members advocated for Goldwater’s Republican candidacy in 1964 while incessantly criticizing Democratic incumbents’ intensifying support for civil rights."
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:23 am to TexasTiger1984
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What happens if, one day, we actually have a more totalitarian government?
The quickest way of getting to a totalitarian govt is to allow masked mobs to threaten, harass, mock good citizens with opposing views into silence and non-participation.
Besides, if there is a totalitarian govt, you know they will then enact any law they want, certainly more repressive than this, to maintain their hold on power and further silence any opposition.
This is a nonsense fear. Hell, the totalitarian govt themselves would most likely be the ones sending out the masked mobs to break up any suspected instance of organized resistance.
Common sense freedom of speech gives you the right to say anything you want - but it does not give you the right to obstruct others from also enjoying their freedom of speech, or freedom of association, or pursuing their official duties, or any other manifestation of their personal freedom.
A masked mob is a threatening presence in and of itself. I can think of no reason to allow them to roam free. If they are at a private Halloween party - OK.
Give me an instance of real world situation where mobs wearing masks is an OK activity, especially if their actions could be reasonably interpreted by a average citizen as threatening.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's an authoritarians wet dream
These fear of 'authoritarian' regimes using such a law enacted under freedom loving times in really silly.
As I have stated before - allowing masked mobs to roam free threatening citizens is the surest way of achieving this authoritarian govt you fear.
AND - an authoritarian govt would certainly enact/ignore any law the wanted in the first place.
The best way to protect from authoritarian govts is to not allow them to come into power - once in power, all is lost anyway,
You certainly don't think the absence to a 'no masked mobs' law would stop them from doing whatever the hell they wanted anyway. Do you??
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:47 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Just make it legal for any citizen to snatch the fricking mask off of any fool wearing one.
AMEN -
Posted on 7/12/18 at 6:28 am to SidewalkDawg
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Can a cop search my person, car, home, or cell phone without probable cause? I'd say my discussing of murder is a pretty big fricking probable cause.
He can search your car or person simply on the claim that he thought he smelled marijuana. So that gives him license to search at any time.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 8:49 am to shinerfan
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He can search your car or person simply on the claim that he thought he smelled marijuana. So that gives him license to search at any time.
shite like this is exactly why we have to stop empowering the government. Some moron at some point argued that "if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear" and everyone went "HAA I don't smoke pot, frick those law breakers!!!!" and now cops have the ability to initiate a violation of your rights simply because they "Smell" something that cannot be proved.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 8:54 am to SidewalkDawg
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simply because they "Smell" something
Oh no. It's simply because he claims that he thought he smelled something. And if the search yields nothing there are no consequences whatsoever. The Supremes allowed this just a couple of years ago and it didn't get the attention it deserved. The decision absolutely gutted the 4th in respect to your vehicle.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 9:01 am to Centinel
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Are you arguing you have no right to privacy even if you are not breaking a law?
I wasn't looking to argue at all, but I confess my comment was a bit snippy.
IMO, the right to privacy is an ideal, which in our day and time is not possible to maintain. No matter what laws are passed or court decisions made, governments, by their nature, will always be excluded.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:10 am to Centinel
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So all people wearing a mask in public are under probable cause for committing a felony?
If they are wearing a mask near a bank, grocery store, liquor store, where I am walking, etc.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:13 am to Wtodd
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far-left Democrats
Democrats? Yes.
But far-left????
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:26 am to ChineseBandit58
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AND - an authoritarian govt would certainly enact/ignore any law the wanted in the first place.
The best way to protect from authoritarian govts is to not allow them to come into power - once in power, all is lost anyway,
You certainly don't think the absence to a 'no masked mobs' law would stop them from doing whatever the hell they wanted anyway. Do you??
Why have any laws that protect freedoms from the tyranny of government then? What if the authoritarian gov is on the rise and you take to the streets to protest and they use facial recognition tech to identify all the protesters and then later arrest them before assuming full authoritarian control?
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