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re: Three simple rules for the poor to follow in order to get into the middle class
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:22 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:22 pm to 4cubbies
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That study didn't describe anything about the people they studied except for the talking point it was designed to push.
The statistics are right there for you to see. The people started out poor. They achieved the three simple goals. They moved out of poverty.
What the hell does describing them have to do with anything?
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:22 pm to 4cubbies
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Is it common to send a child to kindergarten literally knowing nothing about reading?
Why would a parent think it’s the government’s job to feed, clothe and educate their child?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:22 pm to Centinel
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I eagerly look forward to your statistics showing trauma is a significant cause for the lack of upward mobility. Honey.
I don't know if there has been a study on early childhood trauma and upward mobility specifically, but early childhood trauma predicts lots of things that would negatively affect upward mobility. Like maternal use of cocaine leads to much higher distraction scores with respect to control, childhood trauma increases likelihood of aggressive behaviors, and childhood trauma is linked to an increase in class B personality disorders and other mood disorders. That's what I remember off the top of my head. I'd have to spend time searching for the links. I'd wager that early childhood trauma would lead to worse outcomes with regards to jobs and social status.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:26 pm to 4cubbies
I don’t know where you live, but, yes, there are lots of bad parents out there and it’s even more difficult for young, poorly educated single moms working minimum wage jobs to work on reading or basic developmental skills with their young children. The biggest obstacle these kids face is escaping their living environment and expectations, but there are some simple steps to accomplishing that per this study.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:28 pm to the808bass
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They are able to earn 200% of the poverty maximum. They just aren’t guaranteed it. If you can’t find an employer to pay you $11.67/hr, you aren’t worth $11.67/hr.
They could of course work more than 40 hours a week or even multiple jobs..but then again everyone thinks 8 hours is all that should be needed...except those who work more and therefore earn more.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:28 pm to Centinel
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The people started out poor.
I didn't actually see this in the article. Can you copy and paste the quote for me? It said of American adults, not America adults born into poverty.
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What the hell does describing them have to do with anything?
I think it's important to describe them as being born into poverty if your whole argument is about how easy it is to get out of poverty.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:30 pm to the808bass
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Why would a parent think it’s the government’s job to feed, clothe and educate their child?
Ask the posters here who blame public schools for illiteracy.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:30 pm to Dawgfanman
Good point.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:31 pm to 4cubbies
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Ask the posters here who blame public schools for illiteracy.
I blame the public schools for illiteracy. I asked you. Why would a parent assume it’s the government’s job to feed, clothe and educate their child?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:33 pm to shamrock
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, but there are some simple steps to accomplishing that per this study.
Simple for people who have already escaped poverty. That's my point. Simple is a relative term.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:34 pm to the808bass
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Why would a parent assume it’s the government’s job to feed, clothe and educate their child?
How would I know? Your guess is as good as mine.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:34 pm to 4cubbies
The study by its nature,, is inclusive of the variables you want to toss in. Regardless of all the heroin dads, and kids who can't read, if you follow the three rules you've got a 75% chance of getting into the middle class.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:34 pm to 4cubbies
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I think it's important to describe them as being born into poverty if your whole argument is about how easy it is to get out of poverty.
Were you born into poverty? Did you experience any childhood traumas? I can say yes to both and I moved out of poverty..all while being raised by a single mom from age 10.
Both my parents worked in cotton mills when I was a child, that is until dad died when I was 10 and mom was laid off shortly after due to outsourcing to China/India/Mexico..
The only meat I ate my freshman year of high school was fish I caught, deer I killed, and what family might give us..
Do you personally know shite about poverty and trauma are or you just a teacher who “cares” more than everyone else?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:35 pm to 4cubbies
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Simple for people who have already escaped poverty.
They escaped poverty by:
1. Don’t have kids out of wedlock
2. Graduate High School
3. Get & keep a job
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:36 pm to 4cubbies
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How would I know? Your guess is as good as mine.
My guess is that we have the government step in and do all those things for them. Thus they assume it’s the government’s job.
And if you can’t impact children’s education as a public school teacher, you should quit. If their entire educational future is determined by their parents, we should shut down every single public school.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:38 pm to Dawgfanman
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Do you personally know shite about poverty and trauma are or you just a teacher who “cares” more than everyone else?
I'm also curious about this.
Add me in as another who was born in poverty. Single parent household as well. Drug use, etc.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:38 pm to Jake88
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The study by its nature,, is inclusive of the variables you want to toss in.
How do you know? I'm relying on facts provided in the article, not assumptions.
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if you follow the three rules you've got a 75% chance of getting into the middle class.
Wonderful. If you follow this one simple rule, anyone can become a millionaire: obtain a million dollars. See how simple class mobility is?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:38 pm to 4cubbies
Cubs! No BS, I'm both glad and amazed to see you are still with us.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:39 pm to 4cubbies
I mentor in North BR, my mentee’s mom and I have talked about this exact study. She agrees with these points wholeheartedly in order to help her son. I’ve also used the military as a goal for him, but he really needs to graduate, stay out of trouble and not get a girl pregnant to enhance his life projection on a class scale..per this study and common sense. They are poor btw.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:40 pm to 4cubbies
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Wonderful. If you follow this one simple rule, anyone can become a millionaire: obtain a million dollars. See how simple class mobility is?
You really don't like statistics do you? You seriously need to take a step back and remove the emotions from your responses. I know from previous posts you're not stupid. But your emotions are seriously clouding your judgement on this topic.
No one is saying there aren't outliers. But for the overwhelming majority of poor in this country, they are there by their own decisions in life. That is what the article is pointing out.
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