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re: LeBron James to co-produce HBO documentary on exploitative world of college sports
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:04 am to RogerTempleton
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:04 am to RogerTempleton
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 5:37 am to Bench McElroy
The regular NCAA athletes get full rides and various benefits/perks like tutoring and food.
The stars at the college level get all of that plus a free platform to showcase their skills to the next level.
He's right that the NCAA is corrupt in how they seemingly pick and choose when to care about major violations. Or minor violations from smaller programs, if you will. Introducing more money into the system will only make things worse.
The stars at the college level get all of that plus a free platform to showcase their skills to the next level.
He's right that the NCAA is corrupt in how they seemingly pick and choose when to care about major violations. Or minor violations from smaller programs, if you will. Introducing more money into the system will only make things worse.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 6:00 am to Bench McElroy
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This is an incredibly important story about the institutional denial of basic human rights for these student athletes,"
Ummmm what?!?!
I get it if you want athletes paid. I personally think they should be allowed to make money off of their own likeness/accept sponsorships.
But denial of basic human rights? What rights are they denied?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 6:17 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I get it if you want athletes paid. I personally think they should be allowed to make money off of their own likeness/accept sponsorships.
But denial of basic human rights? What rights are they denied?
I don’t think it is that much a stretch to argue that the right to profit from your own likeness and hard work is a human right. See for example John Locke “life, liberty, and property.”
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:12 am to CorporateTiger
What actual property within their ownership are they being denied? What government is denying these rights?
The athletes gave consent through a contract with the NCAA the ability for the organization to govern the amateur collegiate student athletes in exchange for scholarship. The athletes can either adhere to the stipulations of their freely signed contact, or they can terminate their privileges and play elsewhere.
The athletes gave consent through a contract with the NCAA the ability for the organization to govern the amateur collegiate student athletes in exchange for scholarship. The athletes can either adhere to the stipulations of their freely signed contact, or they can terminate their privileges and play elsewhere.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:24 am to CorporateTiger
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I don’t think it is that much a stretch to argue that the right to profit from your own likeness
They arent denied this right. They just arent allowed to play for an NCAA institution while doing it.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:26 am to UncleFestersLegs
Which, for all practical intents and purposes, is the only way to progress their career.
It’s the equivalent argument to opposition to income taxes being “don’t earn any money and you won’t have to pay.” I mean sure that kinda works, but it practically doesn’t.
It’s the equivalent argument to opposition to income taxes being “don’t earn any money and you won’t have to pay.” I mean sure that kinda works, but it practically doesn’t.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:32 am to Bench McElroy
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"This is an incredibly important story about the institutional denial of basic human rights for these student athletes,"
So...this is what a student athlete experiences?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:39 am to GetCocky11
quote:Kind of being dramatic don't you think?
So...this is what a student athlete experiences?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:40 am to jangalang
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What actual property within their ownership are they being denied?
Their likeness and freedom of speech (the right to endorse something for compensation). Additionally all other forms of trademark they may have can’t be licensed for cash during their time in college.
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What government is denying these rights?
State universities individually and collectively through the NCAA.
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The athletes gave consent through a contract with the NCAA the ability for the organization to govern the amateur collegiate student athletes in exchange for scholarship.
A contract they have no right to negotiate.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:40 am to JBeam
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Kind of being dramatic don't you think?
I mean, if Lebron wants to be dramatic, I don't mind being dramatic.
When I think of "basic human rights", the pics I posted are what I think.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 7:41 am
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:42 am to JBeam
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Kind of being dramatic don't you think?
I agree, Lebron was little over the top.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:43 am to GetCocky11
quote:Well the individual athletes aren't allowed to make a profit off of their talent. Because a league (NCAA) is an arse-backward operation.
When I think of "basic human rights", the pics I posted are what I think.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:47 am to JBeam
In any other circumstance, people here would be outraged if a state run institution (or group of institutions) ran a virtual monopoly whereby talented individuals were forced to work for the state for a below market rate in order to advance their careers in a meaningful way.
Don’t let your fandom of college athletics fool you.
Don’t let your fandom of college athletics fool you.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:51 am to JBeam
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When I think of "basic human rights", the pics I posted are what I think.
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Well the individual athletes aren't allowed to make a profit off of their talent. Because a league (NCAA) is an arse-backward operation.
So they aren't violating basic human rights but are just unfair and are a shitty organization.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:52 am to CorporateTiger
The entire Leo Lewis/Ole Miss/Miss State clusterfrick should have taught fans something about how this system works and keeps certain people in power (along with making good bit of money).
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:52 am to CorporateTiger
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A contract they have no right to negotiate.
There is absolutely no coercion to enter into the contract. Like it or not, tbere are ways to enter the top level of professional sports without ever stepping foot in a four year NCAA university.
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Their likeness and freedom of speech (the right to endorse something for compensation). Additionally all other forms of trademark they may have can’t be licensed for cash during their time in college.
They handed those rights over when they signed on the dotted line.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:53 am to CorporateTiger
They are not forced, all sports (outside of football really) have other avenues they can go and not be forced into working for these Universities.
Basketball players can sign endorsement deals and go overseas to make money, baseball players can go pro or play smaller leagues, women can go overseas, I'm sure high school football players can go to Canada and play arena league or CFL if they want.
However, they know their best bet is through the NCAA, while they may not like all of the rules they are free to go elsewhere if they would like to do so. Instead, they agree to the rules in order to promote themselves for future employers. So yes they do have a choice and then they bitch about the choice they have.
They also still have freedom of speech and choice, no one has taken that away from them. What they do not have is freedom of consequence that can happen from their choice of freedoms. Just like any work situation or any situation for any other student.
Basketball players can sign endorsement deals and go overseas to make money, baseball players can go pro or play smaller leagues, women can go overseas, I'm sure high school football players can go to Canada and play arena league or CFL if they want.
However, they know their best bet is through the NCAA, while they may not like all of the rules they are free to go elsewhere if they would like to do so. Instead, they agree to the rules in order to promote themselves for future employers. So yes they do have a choice and then they bitch about the choice they have.
They also still have freedom of speech and choice, no one has taken that away from them. What they do not have is freedom of consequence that can happen from their choice of freedoms. Just like any work situation or any situation for any other student.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:00 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Don't you have to have some experience of "the exploitative world of college sports" before you can be named Executive Producer?
I mean, can I write a series about the exploitive nature of being the President of the United States?
I've seen some speeches that should qualify me. Maybe LeBron watched a college game one time.
I don't think you have a clue what a Producer does.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:02 am to tduecen
quote:This is incorrect on multiple levels. CFL only takes a certain number of Americans a year. They want the league to be majority Canadian born players. Also, the idea that the AFL is a solid move is laughable. That league does not get you prepared for the NFL and should not be looked at as a farm league.
Basketball players can sign endorsement deals and go overseas to make money, baseball players can go pro or play smaller leagues, women can go overseas, I'm sure high school football players can go to Canada and play arena league or CFL if they want.
quote:They don't know all the rules because the NCAA makes things up as they go along. Look at the number of cases the NCAA has fumbled the ball on in some manner or another (AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Reggie Bush, Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton. The list is endless).
However, they know their best bet is through the NCAA, while they may not like all of the rules they are free to go elsewhere if they would like to do so. Instead, they agree to the rules in order to promote themselves for future employers. So yes they do have a choice and then they bitch about the choice they have.
You have current HC's that know the NCAA is full of shite. But they play inside of the lines because they are making north of 2 or 3 million doing so.
quote:We all know that if a current athlete on a high profile team came out and said that he got paid. That he would be crucified by his fanbase and a select group of the media.
They also still have freedom of speech and choice, no one has taken that away from them. What they do not have is freedom of consequence that can happen from their choice of freedoms. Just like any work situation or any situation for any other student.
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