How important is having the right AD and President to a potential HC?

This sucks. We can all bitch about JA being shown the door, but he's only half of the two-headed monster. Unless F. King is sent packing, too, it won't really matter.

Look how F. King stomped all over JA with regard to Miles in 2015. Nothing would stop him from doing the same again. LSU's problems run higher up the ladder than JA, unfortunately.

Yeah, I really should have included president in the OP. Unfortunately that’s a big deal, unless you have a superstar AD that won’t let the pres step on him. Woodward comes to mind.

It's not just the AD solely. That entire Dept is populated with Aleva's people. The building has to be fumigated to remove the Cockroaches Aleva leaves behind. Top to bottom,and I could care less if they're Alumni,or not.

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It would depend on the BOS and how much pressure they put on FKA. They’ll be the ones who would determine if FKA eats some humble pie and goes all out for a great AD, or just replaces Joe with another crony puppet.

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Given the BOS, the crooked ways things work in Louisiana, and the way everything becomes an issue of politics, I think we all know which option above is more likely to happen. I don't see F. King agreeing to limit his involvement in operations going forward.

It's vitally important to the HC. In short, the HC wants an AD who will support him AND essentially give the HC everything the HC feels he needs to build his program. That said, the AD has to be able the navigate the rough waters of coaches' demands. The AD has to deal with not just the football HC's ever increasing demands for things "necessary for the program to be successful", but every HC, of every sport. And he has to do it all with a limited budget. The baseball HC is always going to want more. Same for the softball coach, and gymnastics coach, track coach, etc. The AD has to be able to appease everyone and although LSU has a large athletic budget, it's not infinite. There is a limit.

I don't think Alleva has ever been "cheap" per se. I just think his decision making and PR ability has been questionable since he arrived and he's acquiesced to outside forces with selfish interest. The Trent Johnson hire was fine on paper. It just didn't work out. That would be excusable if he didn't turn around and hire a guy (Jones) who had zero credentials to suggest he could make LSU a prominent national program. He compounded that bad hire by giving unnecessary raises an extensions to a guy no one else wanted, thus making it more difficult to move on once it became glaringly obvious it was time to do so.

The 2015 Miles situation was a complete fiasco. He was silent on nearly a month of rampant speculation that Miles would be fired...even up to the point where EVERYONE, including Miles, though he was coaching his final game. Miles is carried off the field to enjoy one final glorious moment...only to hear 15 minutes later that he was still the HC of LSU. He then fires Miles 4 games into the next season, has 2 months to find a replacement and then gets out-leveraged on his first and only choice (Herman). That would be forgivable (Alleva couldn't FORCE Herman to chose LSU over Texas), if not for the fact he then rushed to hire with no market whatsoever BEFORE the regular season even ended. Ogeron literally could have been hired as HC one week before the 2017 season began. There was no market for him.

But it is true that the LSU President is to blame as well. To be fair, his job is to ensure the university is successful moreso than the athletic dept. That said, LSU is in the unique position in that the AD doesn't suck money away from the school. It actually GIVES money to the university. F. Kind would have a point that the ever increasing athletic coaching salaries were unreasonable IF LSU committing huge money to a football coach hurt the university financially. But in this case it wouldn't! The decision to not "swing for the fences" was one strictly for PR purposes. You can't cry to the press/legislature that you're broke if you are paying the football coach $70 million (which is absurd, but that's for another discussion). But in this case LSU COULD do so because the AD is 100% privately funded.

There has to be leadership that understands the athletics side and academics side can benefit each other and don't need to be "competitors". LSU is a state university and the President should always be accountable to the taxpayers. However, LSU is in a dream situation where their multi-million dollar athletic business doesn't have to diminish the academic service. Why no one can figure out how much of a benefit that is is beyond me.

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In other words we don't have anything he described wanting.

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And the problems run much higher than FKing, although he has done a lot to single-handedly ruin the university. It’s the BOS and Governor Honor Code too (we are going to cancel summer school and make half the team ineligible as he tried shoving more and more taxes down the legislature’s throats). We need a clean sweep, but the collective IQ of the residents of this state make this highly unlikely.

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timlan2057

How important is having the right AD and President to a potential HC?
Saw a sign the other day.

The last line especially fits LSU athletics under Joe Alleva.


You get what you DEMAND.

You ENCOURAGE what you tolerate.
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I might add, MOVEMENT is made when the MONEY stops flowing .

Good Post OP and agree with Alt26 again.

There is plenty of blame to go around. But the beginning to solving the issue is showing Joe Alleva the door.

There are others that can do this job much better than Alleva, who is way over his head, and would willingly come here even with F King.

This is a no brainer to me.