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re: Operator vs. Engineer?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:54 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:54 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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In what world are engineers not working weekends. I will concede that they don’t have to work nights ever, but that’s because they are consumed by these plants for 6-7 day’s a week working 10-12 hours per day.
Every engineer I know has worked plenty of nights and weekends. They aren't scheduled are are no where near as numerous as ops.
shite hits the fan all days and times. They dont get the luxury of waiting until 8am on Monday.
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:54 pm to Ric Flair
The way I think about it... I would prefer to be an engineer because maybe I’ll develop some sort of skills that will set me apart from someone else.
The reason you see operators overcompensating with #trucknutz and f-baw-50s? It’s because they have no skills.. they push a button and turn a valve.
If there was a strike in operations, I feel confident that I could go to the overpass on College, kick over a box, drag out a bum, and have the dude (or she) trained before ops even sets up the picket line.
The reason you see operators overcompensating with #trucknutz and f-baw-50s? It’s because they have no skills.. they push a button and turn a valve.
If there was a strike in operations, I feel confident that I could go to the overpass on College, kick over a box, drag out a bum, and have the dude (or she) trained before ops even sets up the picket line.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:54 pm to lsu777
Not sure who you work for, but those numbers seem low where I work.
I agree not many are making 300k, but there are probably plenty of engineers making 150
I agree not many are making 300k, but there are probably plenty of engineers making 150
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:54 pm to Ric Flair
been doing this gig since '83.....lotta bullshite in these threads....
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:55 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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How can you work overtime when you’re salaried? I’m not saying one is better. I’m just saying they both work long fricking hours
Wtf are you talking about? You realize you can be salary and work and get paid for OT right?
I work with every engineering discipline e across mutiple plants and 95% of the time the engineers are all gone by 4. u it supervision by 5 and engineering supervision by 5.
Sure the supervision will be there by 630 or 7, but that's because they want to be. Hell most plants work a 9 80 shift for emgieers.
No offense but you aren't nearly as educated on this subject as myself. Or you have a fricked up jaded veiw. Prolly been going to paper Mills and think everyone works like those slave camps.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:56 pm to lsu777
I think y’all are confusing engineering degree employee vs someone who works a literal engineering job. Every plant is different but both have extremely high ceilings if you’re good. A 30 year expert in the circuit for engineering can make over 200k easy.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:56 pm to Ruff Desperado
Hook a little too shiny there
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:57 pm to Ruff Desperado
quote:Let me know what plant these bums are working because I don't want to be within a ten mile radius.
If there was a strike in operations, I feel confident that I could go to the overpass on College, kick over a box, drag out a bum, and have the dude (or she) trained before ops even sets up the picket line.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:57 pm to Croacka
In the LC area and Beaumont area that's about where everyone is. I know because I get an offer every other week and so do many that work with me. I'm sure there are exception but I can promise my numbers are pretty close.
Not saying people are t telling you different, people fricking like especially in these threads.
Not saying people are t telling you different, people fricking like especially in these threads.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:00 pm to lsu777
Well I work directly with guys from all disciplines (as well as myself), and I know that your numbers are low on some counts and Ok on others.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:00 pm to TulaneUVA
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k y’all are confusing engineering degree employee vs someone who works a literal engineering job. Every plant is different but both have extremely high ceilings if you’re good. A 30 year expert in the circuit for engineering can make over 200k easy.
No they don't, y'all are being lied to. No engineer, unless he is the only person on the site that can perform a task is making 200k as an engineer. Sure if they move into supervision but they better be high even for that.
Newsflash people fricking lie.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:01 pm to lsu777
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No engineer, unless he is the only person on the site that can perform a task is making 200k as an engineer.
You really shouldn’t speak in absolutes, because I think you’re dead wrong.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:01 pm to lsu777
Are we restricting this to plants? Because I've met a few licensed yacht owning porche driving 3 house owning engineers. Pretty sure they clear 200k before thanksgiving.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:02 pm to lsu777
Newsflash: you’re an idiot who thinks your plant is the same as the rest. What a joke. Go work at one of big boys and come back and talk to me about salaries. I can tell by the entry salaries you posted that you work at a mid major or chemical company.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:02 pm to lsu777
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Dude you don't know what you are talking about. 90% of ants don’t let engineers work OT unless during a Turnaround or a change in the process.
Wut? They’re salary. Most plants don’t give a frick as long as they are showing up for their “scheduled” 40 hours.
My experience is that process engineers start in the 80-100k range (including bonuses). After 5 years or so most are probably in the 110-140 range. After 10 years the really good ones aren’t engineers anymore, they’re in management. The sky is the limit at that point, but it’s highly competitive and very few make it to the 300-500k upper management jobs.
For the sake of argument, I’d guess most process engineers that stay in technical roles probably start to plateau around 150-200k unless they are subject matter experts in a niche field.
10 years out of school, the majority of chemical engineering grads aren’t working in traditional process engineering roles. They’ll be spread across fields like management, projects, controls, safety, etc. Many will work for vendors/consultants. So while it’s safe to say that most if not all will be >100k, there’s a LOT of variability depending on where their career takes them. There’s no one-size-fits-all path, just like with any other career.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:02 pm to lsu777
I agree with your statement regarding salary. No one with the title of process engineer is making over 200k. An engineering manager? Yes but until you have people working under you, they do not get that high
I want to clarify, people with engineering degrees who work in refineries and plants can get to the point where their job pays them over $200k a year within a decade or at least in that time frame. But that title is not engineer unless like someone previously posted you become a subject matter expert and are literally the authority on it for that site and/or company
I want to clarify, people with engineering degrees who work in refineries and plants can get to the point where their job pays them over $200k a year within a decade or at least in that time frame. But that title is not engineer unless like someone previously posted you become a subject matter expert and are literally the authority on it for that site and/or company
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:04 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I agree with your statement regarding salary. No one with the title of process engineer is making over 200k. An engineering manager? Yes but until you have people working under you, they do not get that high
Central engineering experts at headquarters who are the leads in their fields can make over $200k. As individual contributors. The title of “process engineer” is too broad. What do you call a distillation expert or an expert in reactor technology?
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:05 pm to Croacka
I mean like I said that doesn't include bonus. I have noticed that big oil is a tad higher, but not much. Everyone I know that makes more than that before bonus is in some form of supervision.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:06 pm to Croacka
quote:I'm not sure why people do this. You haven't worked in every plant. All plants are different. Everyone has different experiences.
You really shouldn’t speak in absolutes, because I think you’re dead wrong
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:07 pm to lsu777
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Wtf are you talking about? You realize you can be salary and work and get paid for OT right?
You are talking about “salary non-exempt” positions. Newsflash: Almost all engineers (with the exception of some consultants) are classified as salary exempt, which means there is no overtime.
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