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Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:26 pm
The question of military necessity can be quickly put to rest. "Japan was already defeated and dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary." Those are not the words of a latter-day revisionist historian or a leftist writer. They are certainly not the words of an America-hater. They are the words of Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe and future president of the United States. Eisenhower knew, as did the entire senior U.S. officer corps, that by mid 1945 Japan was defenseless.
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After the Japanese fleet was destroyed at Leyte Gulf in October 1944, the U.S. was able to carry out uncontested bombing of Japan's cities, including the hellish firebombings of Tokyo and Osaka. This is what Henry H. Arnold, Commanding General of the U.S. Army Air Forces, meant when he observed, "The Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell because the Japanese had lost control of their own air." Also, without a navy, the resource-poor Japanese had lost the ability to import the food, oil, and industrial supplies needed to carry on a World War
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As a result of the naked futility of their position, the Japanese had approached the Russians, seeking their help in brokering a peace to end the War. The U.S. had long before broken the Japanese codes and knew that these negotiations were under way, knew that the Japanese had for months been trying to find a way to surrender.
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Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, reflected this reality when he wrote, "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace.the atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, said the same thing: "The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender."
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Civilian authorities, especially Truman himself, would later try to revise history by claiming that the bombs were dropped to save the lives of one million American soldiers. But there is simply no factual basis for this in any record of the time. On the contrary, the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey reported, "Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped." The November 1 date is important because that was the date of the earliest possible planned U.S. invasion of the Japanese main islands.
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In other words, the virtually unanimous and combined judgment of the most informed, senior, officers of the U.S. military is unequivocal: there was no pressing military necessity for dropping the atomic bombs on Japan
LINK
After the Japanese fleet was destroyed at Leyte Gulf in October 1944, the U.S. was able to carry out uncontested bombing of Japan's cities, including the hellish firebombings of Tokyo and Osaka. This is what Henry H. Arnold, Commanding General of the U.S. Army Air Forces, meant when he observed, "The Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell because the Japanese had lost control of their own air." Also, without a navy, the resource-poor Japanese had lost the ability to import the food, oil, and industrial supplies needed to carry on a World War
LINK
As a result of the naked futility of their position, the Japanese had approached the Russians, seeking their help in brokering a peace to end the War. The U.S. had long before broken the Japanese codes and knew that these negotiations were under way, knew that the Japanese had for months been trying to find a way to surrender.
LINK /
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, reflected this reality when he wrote, "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace.the atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, said the same thing: "The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender."
LINK
Civilian authorities, especially Truman himself, would later try to revise history by claiming that the bombs were dropped to save the lives of one million American soldiers. But there is simply no factual basis for this in any record of the time. On the contrary, the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey reported, "Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped." The November 1 date is important because that was the date of the earliest possible planned U.S. invasion of the Japanese main islands.
LINK
In other words, the virtually unanimous and combined judgment of the most informed, senior, officers of the U.S. military is unequivocal: there was no pressing military necessity for dropping the atomic bombs on Japan
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
did it save at least 1 american life?
if 'yes', then there's your answer ...
know when to quit ... they didn't ...
if 'yes', then there's your answer ...
know when to quit ... they didn't ...
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Necessary to defeat Japan? Nah.
Necessary to show Russia our new toys? Yep.
Necessary to show Russia our new toys? Yep.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
should have dropped more and wiped out those fools
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:27 pm to tiderider
quote:
did it save at least 1 american life?
no
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Absolutely. frick them. They bombed us first.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:28 pm to castorinho
quote:
Yes
/thread
riveting analysis
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I was thinking about this today randomly. Maybe it wasn't necessary to end the war in Japan, but it certainly had an impact on relations with Russia and other nations since then. If not for the bomb, I would assume we would have been in a major war with Russia, which would've cost millions of lives.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Mess with the bull get the horns.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
quote:
did it save at least 1 american life?
no
wrong, and pure speculation on anyone's part ...
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Because the alternative would have been:
1)conditional peace
2)possible guerilla resistance
3)hundreds of thousands of American troops ad casualties
1)conditional peace
2)possible guerilla resistance
3)hundreds of thousands of American troops ad casualties
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:29 pm to btnetigers
quote:
Absolutely. frick them. They bombed us first.
Well Germany never bombed us but that didn't stop us from reducing Dresden to ash in what should rightfully be considered a war crime.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
yes
now we can order Nog a Sakes
Three parts Egg nog, one part sake. Some places won't make it for you though, i guess because eggnog is seasonal.
now we can order Nog a Sakes

Three parts Egg nog, one part sake. Some places won't make it for you though, i guess because eggnog is seasonal.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it’s sterile and I like the taste.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This post was edited on 4/3/23 at 2:52 am
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
In other words, the virtually unanimous and combined judgment of the most informed, senior, officers of the U.S. military is unequivocal: there was no pressing military necessity for dropping the atomic bombs on Japan
Well, if you don't consider sending a message over the top of the iron curtain that we are not to be trifled with military necessity, then maybe not.
Also, all I've ever heard was that the remaining military and civilians were all ready to dig in and go down fighting.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
What's the hardest part breaking up with a Japanese girlfriend?
You have to drop the bomb on her twice before she gets it.
You have to drop the bomb on her twice before she gets it.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Yes
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