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Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:22 am to PhilipMarlowe
Well what do you know, another A&M tool... 
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:23 am to Ace Midnight
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idea Grant and Sherman can be considered anything like "good guys" - some of the most prolific butchers in U.S. history
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If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking. - WT Sherman.
War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.
I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy.
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
Sherman's responses to those claims sums it up.
Don't start no shite, won't be no shite.
The South made their bed.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:24 am to magildachunks
frick that, the south wanted to exit peacefully, Lincoln wouldn’t allow it.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:25 am to GetCocky11
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The Union didn't fight with honor and dignity?
no they really didnt. Have you not heard of Sherman's March?Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:26 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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frick that, the south wanted to exit peacefully, Lincoln wouldn’t allow it.
The South invaded a Union fort.
They drew first blood
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:29 am to magildachunks
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If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking. - WT Sherman.
War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.
I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy.
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
Sherman's responses to those claims sums it up.
Don't start no shite, won't be no shite.
War is between Armys. Not the civilians Sherman tortured. Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:30 am to Ace Midnight
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at idea Grant and Sherman can be considered anything like "good guys" - some of the most prolific butchers in U.S. history -quote:
and that's mainly of their own troops.
This isn't true about Grant. He actually had one of the lowest casualty rates of troops he commanded during the war.
He did, however, turn Sherman loose and let him be the bad guy.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:30 am to RoyalAir
Forrest is one of the most underrated generals in American history. Best cavalry commander of all time.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:32 am to CarRamrod
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War is between Armys. Not the civilians Sherman tortured.
Sherman may have destroyed the shite out of property, but actual human casualties were very low.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:32 am to CarRamrod
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War is between Armys. Not the civilians Sherman tortured.
Dresden. Hiroshima. Nagasaki. Tokyo. London.
You know what you said isn't true.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:35 am to RoyalAir
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Had that followed Forrest's plan for warfare
That was one wild son of a bitch.
And he spawned the KKK, but weirdly held no enmity toward black people.
Northern accounts of a giant of a man using a dead union soldier as a shield... Forrest.
Forrest was a silver spoon with something to prove. He was the Alexander Hamilton of the civil war.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:35 am to magildachunks
It was different in civil war times than WWII.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:38 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Because the southern leadership was immensely better than the union’s, especially at the outset.
The old "the south's generals were the greatest" argument.
Except they weren't.
Although Lee has been praised for his offensives against the Union Army of the Potomac, he was carrying out an aggressive strategy with aggressive tactics that were inconsistent with what should have been a Confederate grand defensive strategy. The Union, not the Confederacy, had the burden of winning the war, and the South, outnumbered four-to-one in white men of fighting age, had a severe manpower shortage. Nevertheless, Lee acted as though he were a Union general and attacked again and again as though his side had the burden of winning and also had an unlimited supply of soldiers. Lee’s aggressiveness resulted in a single general’s record 209,000 casualties for his army (55,000 more than Grant’s); those were casualties the South could not afford. After Lee’s first fourteen months of command, the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia had incurred an intolerable 98,000+ casualties by the close of the Gettysburg Campaign. These losses left Lee’s army too weak to effectively stymie Grant’s Overland Campaign to Richmond and Petersburg in 1864 and eventually resulted in Lee’s surrender on April 9, 1865.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:42 am to lsu1919
Lee, Jackson, Beauregard, Forrest, Stuart, Longstreet, A.P. Hill, Bragg, etc.
All better than any Northern commander
All better than any Northern commander
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:45 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Lee, Jackson, Beauregard, Forrest, Stuart, Longstreet, A.P. Hill, Bragg, etc.
All better than any Northern commander
Beauregard may have been the most overrated general in the entire Civil War.
Philip Sheridan and Winfield Hancock laugh at (most) of your list.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:46 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Saddest day in the south’s history, boys and girls.
Yes the saddest day because R.E. Lee chose to surrender his command and Soldiers when he had thousands of perfectly fine troops at his disposal that should have dispersed into the countryside and fought the Union as a guerilla Army like Nathan Bedford Forrest suggested.
R.E. Lee today would be in violation of Article II of the Code of Conduct:
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I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:46 am to TigerFanInSouthland
And the dream of getting a fair price for the cotton ended that day.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:48 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Lee, Jackson, Beauregard, Forrest, Stuart, Longstreet, A.P. Hill, Bragg, etc.
Bragg was an absolutely horrendous leader. Absolutely horrendous. Chickamauga he got very lucky and didn’t press the fight which was a huge mistake.
Beauregard was terrible as well.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:51 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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was different in civil war times than WWII.
No it wasn't.
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