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re: Is the Opoid "epidemic" real?
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:50 pm to TexasTiger80
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:50 pm to TexasTiger80
I think it's a real epidemic, however I think there's no way in hell our tax dollars should be paying for it.
Several years ago I was on the verge of ending it all. After multiple deployments, a divorce, alcolihilsm, etc I was over it. If I could get iver multiple addictions the anyone can.
No excuses. I now have a wonderful life and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Several years ago I was on the verge of ending it all. After multiple deployments, a divorce, alcolihilsm, etc I was over it. If I could get iver multiple addictions the anyone can.
No excuses. I now have a wonderful life and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:52 pm to El Segundo Guy
There is a fix here. Shut down the border. Execute the damn dealers like Trump says and close the pill mills.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:01 pm to antibarner
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There is a fix here. Shut down the border. Execute the damn dealers like Trump says and close the pill mills.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:07 pm to Jake88
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They didn't beg or plead or make up bullshite pain complaints to manipulate the doctors.
Sure some folks were but other times Doctors were prescribing Opoids like they were chiclets.I was diagnosed with Shingles about 6 years ago and was prescribed Hydrodone with FOUR refills.I barely used my
1st and it only costs me a $10 copay.Same thing happened when I got a tooth pulled that year except it was for 2 refills...still didn'the need to take it for more than 3 or 4 days. I do believe they have since
changed the law on refills and you have to see your MD if you want to get refilled.
And for YEARS Congress and Pharma lobbyist let an almost unlimited supply of both Hydrodone and Oxycontin
flow through phony pharmacist and "pain clinics"
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In the midst of the worst drug epidemic in American history, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's ability to keep addictive opioids off U.S. streets was derailed -- that according to Joe Rannazzisi, one of the most important whistleblowers ever interviewed by 60 Minutes. Rannazzisi ran the DEA's Office of Diversion Control, the division that regulates and investigates the pharmaceutical industry. Now in a joint investigation by 60 Minutes and The Washington Post, Rannazzisi tells the inside story of how, he says, the opioid crisis was allowed to spread -- aided by Congress, lobbyists, and a drug distribution industry that shipped, almost unchecked, hundreds of millions of pills to rogue pharmacies and pain clinics providing the rocket fuel for a crisis that, over the last two decades, has claimed 200,000 lives.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 8:46 am
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:11 pm to Duzz
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Is the Opoid "epidemic" real? If so, why not just let them die?
Today you might not have any friends or family plagued by it, but what about tomorrow? What about your kids? And their kids?
I don’t have cancer, but sure as hell want to keep finding ways to cure it. Just because it doesn’t involve you today doesn’t mean you can ignore it.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:13 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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That’s how socialized healthcare works folks! Picking who lives and who dies
Actually, they chose something with deadly consequences for themselves. Let er rip...
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:00 pm to Klark Kent
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nah, I have a cousin who lost custody of both her children after she nearly killed them while drunk and on opioids. Then went to rehab to defeat her addiction and lives in a halfway house now She’s trash. And never welcome on my doorstep much less in my house. Will never get a cent from me. And she may as well be dead or have been picked up by Duzz’ EMS to me and mine. People like this actively make decisions to ruin their lives and the lives around them. 0 sympathy
Cool story, Hansel. But I'm sorry to tell you that your anecdote doesn't address his claim at all, much less refute it.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:11 pm to Duzz
That's fine. You don't have to have compassion for them. But you should consider the economic benefits of treatment.
rehabcenter.net:
here's another article for you
rehabcenter.net:
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Time and time again evidence illustrates the vast importance of drug addiction treatment. In addition to assisting an individual in finding and learning methods to overcome their addiction and drug use, it helps to reduce the financial costs associated with the health, governmental, and social ramifications of this drug use.
NIDA shows us exactly how this investment can alleviate social financial burdens; they report that “according to several conservative estimates, every dollar invested in addiction treatment programs yields a return of between $4 and $7 in reduced drug-related crime, criminal justice costs, and theft. When savings related to healthcare are included, total savings can exceed costs by a ratio of 12 to 1.”
The rising price of incarcerating an individual due to a drug-related crime and the cost associated with providing social programs and welfare support to them and their families puts a vast stress on our country’s tax burden. NIDA speaks to this, saying that “the average cost for 1 full year of methadone maintenance treatment is approximately $4,700 per patient, whereas 1 full year of imprisonment costs approximately $24,000 per person.”
The earlier a person receives help, the better. The longer a person abuses drugs, the more damage the drugs exert on their body, thus the higher the possibility is that they will need some form of medical treatment. In addition to the health benefits, treatment has positive social implications, as well—helping a person to overcome their addiction may potentially keep them from situations and events that cam precipitate social and governmental expenses and issues.
As a person undergoes treatment they are taught vital skills and receive critical support that can help them learn to overcome their addiction and have a successful recovery, thus allowing them in many instances to successfully integrate back into their lives and responsibilities.
here's another article for you
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:16 pm to antibarner
Yes. The crime rate is rising as junkies steal for their fix
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:20 pm to LSU Jax
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This issue isn’t confined to scumbag criminals and junkies.
It's like the OP has never heard of veterans. But I guess we just shouldn't have compassion for the people we send to fight and die for our country.
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Prescription drug abuse is on the rise among veterans because many are treated with powerful narcotic pain medications for injuries. Over time, veterans can become dependent on these drugs and eventually an addiction can develop. Alcohol abuse and addiction is also more common among the military population while some other substances are used far less frequently and are far less of an issue.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:22 pm to Duzz
Just let all the ones that choose shitty lifestyles die. Looking at you gays.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:24 pm to Duzz
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If so, why not just let them die? No longer a burden on emergency services, no longer a burden on the populace. And cut off the money from the dealers.
OK, you’re a holier than thou sociopath. You do know how easy it can be to get addicted to opiates right? Of course you don’t since you’re obviously an idiot, but let me give you a run down on how it’s affected my life.
My cousin got in a catostrophic car accident. Turns out he had shitty doctors and over prescribed him. He’s fricking dead now due to his opiate addiction. So all I’m asking is for the similar car accident to happen and see how you hold up under similar circumstances, you judgemental twat.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:25 pm to IllegalPete
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Is cancer real? Why not just let them die? Why waste all those resources on treatment? I had a chat with a guy in his 70s yesterday and he told me he has been taking care of his wife for 12 years. She now has full time care at home because he can't do it on his own anymore. I asked if it was Alzheimers or something. He said no, she hurt her back 20 years ago or so and the doctors had her on Oxy and fentanyl and other stuff over the years. He said it basically fried her brain. She hasn't been able to dress or bathe or feed herself in years. It was pretty heartbreaking to hear him tell the story. His eyes were misty as he recounted their life before the opioids and where he finds himself today. Not everyone suffering from the opioid "epidemic" is a junky on the street.
The financial burden of any caregiver is often really significant. Not only will they have to spend more to take care of someone, but also be able to work fewer hours which can affect their income. It's weird how you don't have to look very far into this issue to see that opioid abuse (any drug abuse really) affects more than just the abuser.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:27 pm to antibarner
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There is a fix here. Shut down the border. Execute the damn dealers like Trump says and close the pill mills.
Yes, prohibition has worked so well for us..
All you'll do is drive up prices, increasing the draw to supply or deal and make law enforcement more dangerous
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:28 pm to bamarep
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Congrats on the dumbest fricking post of the year bruh.
I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you, Bamarep. I may disagree with you at 80% of the time, but you are not heartless when it comes to individuals.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:32 pm to Duzz
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Duzz
Congrats. You are now officially the dumbest and most pridefully ignorant poster on this board. You have stiff competition, but what you’re saying specifically to opiates is the dumbest fricking shite I’ve ever read. Please don’t breed, and get a vasectomy as soon as possible.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:34 pm to olemissfan26
Makes you wonder what kind of spotless lives some of these fricks pretend to have
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:35 pm to antibarner
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Shut down the border.
Yep. As soon as we shut down the border, drug cartels will say "That's it. frick it! We're giving up on this multi-billion dollar business we have here. What do you mean we have other ways of getting drugs into the country?! Shut the frick up! Did you not hear me? I said frick it! Border's closed. And that's that. Game over, man. Game over!"
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:03 pm to Klark Kent
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When these services are required we should also provide free vasectomies to male patients. 2 for 1 specials!
Any ACA plan is supposed provide a vasectomy with no cost share (i.e. free).
Posted on 4/5/18 at 5:39 am to Klark Kent
Well that's just a stupid response.
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