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Australia's lauded 1996 gun buyback likely had no real effect on its gun death rates.

Posted on 3/1/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 3:25 pm
The article is a refutation of the "57,000 guns turned in for anti gun solidarity" story the media has been spinning, but the most reveling part is:

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It's understandable that Australia should interest those wondering if legal measures can curb gun violence and deaths. As a 2008 study from the Melbourne Institute (part of the University of Melbourne) on the effects of Australia's gun control measures after Port Arthur started by noting that

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Australia's 1996-97 National Firearms Agreement (NFA), which involved the buyback and destruction of over 600,000 guns within a few months, is one of the most massive government adjustments to gun control regulations in the developed world in recent history. The extent of the buyback and accompanying swift nationwide change in the firearm regulatory environment following the enactment of the NFA (prohibition on certain types of firearms, registration requirements etc.) makes this policy a natural experiment in which the results of a methodical evaluation would be extremely interesting...


And their rough conclusion?

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Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.


The authors came to this conclusion after examining, using a variety of statistical techniques, nearly a century of homicide and suicide data, gun and non-gun, looking for "structural break points" that would indicate some policy or other change was clearly affecting the rates. They did not find any for any period around or after the NFA.
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Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
39631 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 3:27 pm to
Gun buy backs are a great way to make money. I've seen YouTube vids of people selling homemade pipe shotguns and getting $200 a pop from these idiots.

I've been looking into doing it myself but I haven't found any buy backs in Texas yet
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
27797 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 3:37 pm to
They had an amnesty period last year decades after the new law. 50,000 guns, a bazooka and several rocket launchers were turned in.

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Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 3:58 pm to
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hey had an amnesty period last year decades after the new law. 50,000 guns, a bazooka and several rocket launchers were turned in.

How is it possible they have school kids still alive?
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38128 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:00 pm to
You can find a hundred studies that say...

Banning guns did nothing to curtail gun deaths in the UK as well.

It slightly increased knife deaths for the first year but then gun deaths went right back to where they were before the ban.

And now, nobody has protection from the rapes.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 4:01 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
36671 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:02 pm to
Promise program needs to end.
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:06 pm to
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Australia's lauded 1996 gun buyback likely had no real effect on its gun death rates.
Wikipedia says WTAF.

Australia: 0.93 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 0.217 guns per inhabitant.
USA: 10.54 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 1.0105 guns per inhabitant.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:18 pm to
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Australia: 0.93 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 0.217 guns per inhabitant. USA: 10.54 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 1.0105 guns per inhabitant.


Start your own thread with this random and totally non-related statistic.
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:23 pm to
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Australia: 0.93 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year.
USA: 10.54 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year.

All this proves is that we are better shots than the Aussies

MAGA
Posted by USA Dan
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Jul 2015
991 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:24 pm to
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Australia: 0.93 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 0.217 guns per inhabitant.
USA: 10.54 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 1.0105 guns per inhabitant.


The USA counts suicides (nearly 80% of US gun deaths), Australia does not.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:26 pm to
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Australia: 0.93 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 0.217 guns per inhabitant.
USA: 10.54 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 1.0105 guns per inhabitant.
Since 96, the US firearm murder rate has decreased more rapidly than Australia.

And also, buy back only garnered around 1/3 of guns. 2/3 are still out there.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 4:26 pm to
He won't respond.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:08 pm to
It's well know among people who are actually informed that all decreases in firearm deaths in Australia since the mandatory buyback can be explained by a continuation of a decreasing trend in gun deaths that started 15 years before the buyback. The drop in gun deaths in Australia pales in comparison to the decrease the us experienced over the same period of time, with firearm sales exploding at the same time.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Four Leaf Tayback
Member since Aug 2017
1621 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:11 pm to
Australia doesn’t have a “culcha” problem like we do here
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
104694 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:12 pm to
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And now, nobody has protection from the rapes.


At least the UK Muslims are happy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283027 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:12 pm to

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Australia: 0.93 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 0.217 guns per inhabitant.
USA: 10.54 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 1.0105 guns per inhabitant.


Most US firearm deaths are suicide.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
46281 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:26 pm to
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Australia doesn’t have a “culcha” problem like we do here


DING DING DING~!

We have a winner
Posted by BaylorTiger
Member since Nov 2006
2083 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:42 pm to
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The USA counts suicides (nearly 80% of US gun deaths), Australia does not.


I've actually written about this but used homicide only data.

I did not come across this, do you have a link about Australia's numbers not including suicides?
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:46 pm to
Has Australia had a mass shooting since this legislation?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 5:48 pm to
Australian mass murderers just burn people now.

All of the events since 1996 are right there in wikipedia, with references
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