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re: 25th anniversary of waco
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:57 pm to LSU316
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:57 pm to LSU316
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Your opinion is duly noted.
Uhhhhh..... My opinion? The men are on recording talking about spreading gas and burning the building. Literally all the evidence points to them starting the fire themselves. Not the FBI.
Now, that isn't saying the FBI was in the right. Because they absolutely weren't. But the FBI didn't start the fire. David and his goonies did.
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:01 pm to LSU316
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It's the only time in history that we've used tanks to take down a child molester on American soil that I can remember...if I'm wrong correct me.
The FBI, ATF, the Clintons, Janet Reno, Vince Foster, and many others completely fricked up this situation and all should be held to the fire for what they did. The bottom line is that the ATF was reeling from the funding cuts after Ruby Ridge and were looking for something to get more funds. They could have easily had 3 agents walk up to the door with the sheriff and arrested Koresh.....shite or arrested his arse in town
You summed the sentiment up pretty well. I'm sorry but the decision to use military tanks to puncture the walls for the purpose of injecting teargas? That's just fricking stupid. Especially knowing with the Intel they had from inside the compound. There is a good reason that so many of the people involved still to this day support Koresch.
Bottom line the government was still reeling from the Ruby Ridge frick up and they were looking to use Waco as a way to mend their perception.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:02 pm to beerJeep
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e men are on recording talking about spreading gas
They never mention gas.
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burning the building
They talk about the building burning.
The fact is that the gas they used at Waco was outlawed for use in an actual war. That gas had created fires quite easily numerous times in the past.
Now I'm not certain that the FBI intentionally started the fire, in fact I'm sure they didn't, but I believe the gas from the tanks or other incendiary rounds the FBI used started to or greatly cintributed to that fire.
ETA
I'm still in awe that any person on here sees anything OK with the US government sanctioning military action against US citizens.....I mean it's like the damn Constitution could be used to wipe our asses.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:05 pm to beerJeep
The government knew what they were dealing with and went with a strong hand approach. David and his group probably started the fire but it was absolutely a direct result of a series of bad decisions by the government.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:09 pm to LSU316
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They never mention gas.
omfg. Semantics over the terminology used? Really? They were talking about using flammable liquid to spread through the house.
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They talk about the building burning.
And spreading shite to spread the flames.
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The fact is that the gas they used at Waco was outlawed for use in an actual war. That gas had created fires quite easily numerous times in the past.
Cool. Doesn't change the fact the men inside the compound spread flammable material through the house to make the fire spread faster.
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Now I'm not certain that the FBI intentionally started the fire, in fact I'm sure they didn't, but I believe the gas from the tanks or other incendiary rounds the FBI used started to or greatly cintributed to that fire.
Just like the men spreading flammable material to spread the fire.
It's in the fire report. They used shite to spread the fire through the house
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:12 pm to redstick13
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The government knew what they were dealing with and went with a strong hand approach. David and his group started the fire but it was absolutely a direct result of a series of bad decisions by the government.
Exactly. The FBI handled it absolutely wrong and I'm not defending how they handled it. But they did NOT start that fire.
They could have just taken the dude in town alone. But nope. They had to show their big govt cock. Massive frick up entirely.
But at the end of the day, they didn't kill those women and children in that fire. The men inside the compound did.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:16 pm to beerJeep
The facts are that due to missing evidence and the way the case was handled there is no proof that the Branch Davidians started the fire and no proof that the FBI started the fire.
The facts are that the FBI initially lied about using incendiary rounda. That is a fact acknowledged by the US Congress and Janet Reno. Who also acknowledged the fact that evidence pertinent to two facts, who fired first in the ATF's initial raid and who started the fire, was missing from the FBI's Waco file was missing.
The facts are that the FBI initially lied about using incendiary rounda. That is a fact acknowledged by the US Congress and Janet Reno. Who also acknowledged the fact that evidence pertinent to two facts, who fired first in the ATF's initial raid and who started the fire, was missing from the FBI's Waco file was missing.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:18 pm to beerJeep
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But at the end of the day, they didn't kill those women and children in that fire. The men inside the compound did
Let's say that all that is true....it doesn't change the fact that the actions of the ATF and FBI ultimately led to the deaths of those people. A military action sponsored by the US government caused the death of US citizens.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:39 pm to LSU316
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military action
You keep using those words. What made it a military action?
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:50 pm to jbgleason
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You keep using those words. What made it a military action?
im assuming tanks. they dont have those available at the dealerships here in BR iirc
Posted on 2/28/18 at 11:51 pm to jbgleason
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What made it a military action?
They used military tactics with tanks and used Delta Force in some unstated manner.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 11:58 pm to jbgleason
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What made it a military action?
The fact that they used tanks, gas, and had semi-automatic rifles at the ready.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:01 am to LSU316
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They used military tactics with tanks
Considering the Davidians had a .50 cal machine gun I would think they needed something with pretty thick armor.
Where did the Delta Force thing come from?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:04 am to jbgleason
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Considering the Davidians had a .50 cal machine gun
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:07 am to jbgleason
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You keep using those words. What made it a military action?
Torture tactics, tanks, soldiers armed with semi automatic rifles, etc etc.
Who the frick thought it would be a good idea to use a tank to puncture the building and shoot gas inside? Oh by the way the method of delivery was through the fricking tank's main gun.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:10 am to jbgleason
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Considering the Davidians had a .50 cal machine gun I would think they needed something with pretty thick armor.
Yea because people take down tanks with .50 cals all the time. FFS
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:11 am to lsu1919
I was friends with Keith’s family when we were in elementary school. I know he got pretty messed up during WACO. If I remember correctly he was with the ATF
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:21 am to Miketheseventh
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I was friends with Keith’s family when we were in elementary school. I know he got pretty messed up during WACO. If I remember correctly he was with the ATF
He went onto the roof with other ATF agents that went into the window. He ended up falling off the roof trying to escape and got injured.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 6:22 am
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:26 am to jbgleason
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What made it a military action?
Hell even the initial raid was very military like, why in the frick are cops putting their blood type on their bodies? National Guard helis buzzing the place.
Are you Keith or family of him?
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 6:27 am
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:44 am to jbgleason
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Where did the Delta Force thing come from?
"The government's integrity has been damaged by other discoveries as well. Within the past six months it was forced to acknowledge that military Special Forces, believed to be the secret Delta Force, were present outside Waco. And a surveillance tape with suspicious gaps was discovered at FBI headquarters."
From CBS..... LINK
Some operatives have been quoted as saying they were involved in a shootout with the Davidians on 4/19 but that cannot be proven.
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