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A Sheepdog’s answer to school shootings.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:09 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:09 am
LTC David Grossman -
PROBLEM SOLVER
“How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years? Kids killed... school fire... North America... 50 years... How many? Zero. That’s right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century.
Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?”
Standing on the stage of a highschool auditorium, Grossman walked to the side nearest a wall as he addressed the crowd.
"Look up at the ceiling! See all those sprinklers up there? They’re hard to spot — they’re painted black — but they’re there. While you’re looking, look at the material the ceiling is made of. You know that that stuff was selected because it’s fire-retardant. Hooah? Now look over there above the door — you see that fire exit sign? That’s not just any fire exit sign — that’s a ‘battery-backup-when-the-world-ends-it-will-still-be-lit’ fire exit sign. Hooah?”
He walked to the other side, nearby a fire exit and exterior wall, Grossman slammed the palm of his hand against the wall and exclaimed, “Look at these wall boards! They were chosen because they’re what?! Fireproof or fire retardant, hooah? There is not one stinking thing in this room that will burn!”
Pointing around the room as he spoke, Grossman continued, “But you’ve still got those fire sprinklers, those fire exit signs, fire hydrants outside, and fire trucks nearby! Are these fire guys crazy? Are these fire guys paranoid? No! This fire guy is our A+ student! Because this fire guy has redundant, overlapping layers of protection, not a single kid has been killed by school fire in the last 50 years!"
“But you try to prepare for violence — the thing much more likely to kill our kids in schools, the thing hundreds of times more likely to kill our kids in schools, and people think you’re paranoid. They think you’re crazy. They’re in denial.”
I want you to stop for a moment and think about how much money is spent on ways to put fires out and stop them from spreading. How much time is spent on training what to do if a fire burns and spreads? Now how much money and time is spent on stopping violence?
Very little because it makes YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.
The idea of trained staff and security with firearms in your children's schools shocks you. Well... reality check. The image of your child in a casket due to a murderer in school with a gun will be infinitely more shocking I guarantee you.
Passing laws restricting firearms would have the same effect as passing laws against fire. If changes in firearm laws are your answer as to how we can save children's lives, you are naive, uninformed about human conflict, and frankly have nothing better to offer. You are grasping at straws in the darkness of ignorance. I do not hold it against you. Anyone asked to solve a problem they are not equipped to solve will make an effort to do so if they believe it to be necessary.
ACCEPT that evil walks the earth and you or your children may one day see it.
LEARN about how the human reacts in moments of danger and peril.
DEVELOP SKILLS to stay alive whatever they may be.
SHARE the mindset, knowledge and skills with your children and loved ones.
PROBLEM SOLVER
“How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years? Kids killed... school fire... North America... 50 years... How many? Zero. That’s right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century.
Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?”
Standing on the stage of a highschool auditorium, Grossman walked to the side nearest a wall as he addressed the crowd.
"Look up at the ceiling! See all those sprinklers up there? They’re hard to spot — they’re painted black — but they’re there. While you’re looking, look at the material the ceiling is made of. You know that that stuff was selected because it’s fire-retardant. Hooah? Now look over there above the door — you see that fire exit sign? That’s not just any fire exit sign — that’s a ‘battery-backup-when-the-world-ends-it-will-still-be-lit’ fire exit sign. Hooah?”
He walked to the other side, nearby a fire exit and exterior wall, Grossman slammed the palm of his hand against the wall and exclaimed, “Look at these wall boards! They were chosen because they’re what?! Fireproof or fire retardant, hooah? There is not one stinking thing in this room that will burn!”
Pointing around the room as he spoke, Grossman continued, “But you’ve still got those fire sprinklers, those fire exit signs, fire hydrants outside, and fire trucks nearby! Are these fire guys crazy? Are these fire guys paranoid? No! This fire guy is our A+ student! Because this fire guy has redundant, overlapping layers of protection, not a single kid has been killed by school fire in the last 50 years!"
“But you try to prepare for violence — the thing much more likely to kill our kids in schools, the thing hundreds of times more likely to kill our kids in schools, and people think you’re paranoid. They think you’re crazy. They’re in denial.”
I want you to stop for a moment and think about how much money is spent on ways to put fires out and stop them from spreading. How much time is spent on training what to do if a fire burns and spreads? Now how much money and time is spent on stopping violence?
Very little because it makes YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.
The idea of trained staff and security with firearms in your children's schools shocks you. Well... reality check. The image of your child in a casket due to a murderer in school with a gun will be infinitely more shocking I guarantee you.
Passing laws restricting firearms would have the same effect as passing laws against fire. If changes in firearm laws are your answer as to how we can save children's lives, you are naive, uninformed about human conflict, and frankly have nothing better to offer. You are grasping at straws in the darkness of ignorance. I do not hold it against you. Anyone asked to solve a problem they are not equipped to solve will make an effort to do so if they believe it to be necessary.
ACCEPT that evil walks the earth and you or your children may one day see it.
LEARN about how the human reacts in moments of danger and peril.
DEVELOP SKILLS to stay alive whatever they may be.
SHARE the mindset, knowledge and skills with your children and loved ones.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:10 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 4:01 am to okietiger13
The bad sheep dogs are hardly ever punished these days. Otherwise I agree with the point.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:00 am to okietiger13
There's too much common sense in there for libs to understand.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:35 am to okietiger13
That's what I've been saying for days now.
No one is talking about what to do NOW to protect kids once bullets start flying.
Cowering in a room and hoping the shooter doesn't enter it ain't working for the ones in the room the shooter goes into.
What liberal bet-wetters fail to understand or refuse to comprehend is that someone hellbent on mass murder doesn't give a flying rat fart in hell how many laws he breaks along the way. He already doesn't give a single shite about MURDER, so why would he suddenly be stopped in his track because the gun he wants to use is now illegal?
The average school shooter is going to have at least ten minutes from the time he starts shooting till the first armed LEO starts into the school. If he can squeeze off 1 round/second, that's 600 rounds before he might possibly be confronted. More than likely he won't have that many bullets with him, but the point is still valid.
Most school administrators have no idea what to do to protect the kids in their charge once the shooting starts, and far too many are of the mindset that arming more people in the school is NOT the answer, because they can't distinguish between a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with one.
No one is talking about what to do NOW to protect kids once bullets start flying.
Cowering in a room and hoping the shooter doesn't enter it ain't working for the ones in the room the shooter goes into.
What liberal bet-wetters fail to understand or refuse to comprehend is that someone hellbent on mass murder doesn't give a flying rat fart in hell how many laws he breaks along the way. He already doesn't give a single shite about MURDER, so why would he suddenly be stopped in his track because the gun he wants to use is now illegal?
The average school shooter is going to have at least ten minutes from the time he starts shooting till the first armed LEO starts into the school. If he can squeeze off 1 round/second, that's 600 rounds before he might possibly be confronted. More than likely he won't have that many bullets with him, but the point is still valid.
Most school administrators have no idea what to do to protect the kids in their charge once the shooting starts, and far too many are of the mindset that arming more people in the school is NOT the answer, because they can't distinguish between a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with one.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:35 am to TenWheelsForJesus
Great analogy. Libs have an anti-gun agenda, and will fight anything common sense to their death! It’s a sickness
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:37 am to okietiger13
quote:
Passing laws restricting firearms would have the same effect as passing laws against fire.
:boom:
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:19 am to Bard
quote:
ACCEPT that evil walks the earth and you or your children may one day see it.
My new favorite quote!!
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:22 am to okietiger13
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LTC David Grossman -
Grossman is a charlatan and a fraud who has an inferiority complex because he never got to see combat. Now he indoctrinates our LEOs with his nonsense to make up for missing his chance in Iraq.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:27 am to REG861
quote:
Grossman is a charlatan and a fraud who has an inferiority complex because he never got to see combat. Now he indoctrinates our LEOs with his nonsense to make up for missing his chance in Iraq.
Why don't you attack his message? What did he say that was incorrect?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:27 am to okietiger13
All salient points. Especially liked:
Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed reading it
quote:
The idea of trained staff and security with firearms in your children's schools shocks you. Well... reality check. The image of your child in a casket due to a murderer in school with a gun will be infinitely more shocking I guarantee you.
quote:
ACCEPT that evil walks the earth and you or your children may one day see it.
Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed reading it
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:32 am to REG861
quote:
Grossman is a charlatan and a fraud who has an inferiority complex because he never got to see combat. Now he indoctrinates our LEOs with his nonsense to make up for missing his chance in Iraq.
Despite not seeing action, he still graduated Ranger school. That is respect in and of itself.
You should be a bot ashamed of yourself for that statement.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:36 am to CoachDon
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Despite not seeing action, he still graduated Ranger school. That is respect in and of itself.
congratulations on his accomplishment. It's clear he has a chip on his shoulder from not actually seeing combat. He now profits off a pseudoscience - "killology" - he developed as a result. He purports to be an expert on what it means to kill someone in the line of duty without having experienced it himself. I cannot separate 'his message' from his persona. I don't disagree that armed security guards is a possible fix. The rest of his article was his usual selfserving mumbo jumbo.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:41 am to okietiger13
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LTC David Grossman -
Went and listened to him when I was a school principal.
One of the best speakers I have ever had the opportunity to listen to. FBI agents that followed him openly admitted they probably would have requested a different speaking time if they had known who they were following.
He has some good books as well.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:49 am to Bama323_15
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One of the best speakers I have ever had the opportunity to listen to
I have friends that graduated from West Point that all say the exact same thing.
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