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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:04 am to therick711
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:04 am to therick711
Shhhhhh don't tell them how honest abe wanted to send all the blacks to the sugar/cocoa/banana plantations in the Caribbean and South America.
Where the treatment of slaves was hundreds times worse.
But hey. Abe was a swell guy!
Where the treatment of slaves was hundreds times worse.
But hey. Abe was a swell guy!
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:04 am to Grim
quote:
Thanks. The blatant racism in this thread wasn't enough. We also needed some anti-semitism
Lol
You’re welcome. You have to admit, though, that Jews are given special protection in these discussions. Or don’t you admit that?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:05 am to 1BamaRTR
quote:
Yes but this thread’s main topic is still racism and slavery and seeing that the most upvoted comments are about how it’s not racist it seems that many of the people here still hold that view.
I would hope you could figure out why using upvotes to measure is ill advised.
The thread has actually had interesting discussion with not even all the conservatives in agreement.
Just sayin.......
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:05 am to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
Racism, in the sense we currently understand is a result of slavery.
Perhaps by yourself, but I doubt by anyone more rational.
First, if that were so then there would be no claims of racism by other minorites that were not ever enslaved. Irish, Italians, Chinese were not slaves in the US but all have suffered group discrimination.
Second, I suspect many if not most people would who have disdain have as much disdain for African Americans had they not been slaves based upon their behavior. It is much more rational to judge a group by what they do today than what they did or were part of hundreds of years ago.
Finally, slavery is more complex than you suggest, sometimes purely economic, sometimes a just solution as a result of wars, sometimes a result of other disasters. The fact I had some ancestors that fell into slavery as the result of the collapse of say the Byzantine Empire and coould have been slaves as late as the 19th century in the Ottoman Empire doesn't cause them to be victims of racism today.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:05 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
This is a huge stretch, though. The Romans enslaved everybody they encountered, even other Latins. They enslaved (white people) Gauls, other Celts, Germans, Greeks, (brown)North Africans and Middle Easterners, as well as (black) Nubians, etc.
If we say everything is racism, then nothing is.
It isn't a huge stretch. It is the literal definition.
When one group feels superior to another group based off physical characteristics, heritage, culture, etc
Just because we have dumbed it down to just "color of skin" doesn't change the actual definition.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:07 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:06 am to BBONDS25
quote:more irony!
Do English better.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:06 am to Salmon
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I have no idea using the actual definition of race is making a word useless.
I'll bite.
Describe, specifically, a white person being racist against whites.(or any other race example)
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:06 am to beerJeep
His comments in 1858 during the Douglas debates make him a very difficult character. He has since been (pardon the term) "whitewashed" and now he is lionized by people unfamiliar with his actual political positions.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:07 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Describe, specifically, a white person being racist against whites.(or any other race example)
enslaving Irish
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:07 am to Pettifogger
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Slavery involved the ownership of other human beings of a different race.
Wrong. Slavery is simply ownership of another human being. Race has nothing to do with it. Black people owned (and in some parts still own) black slaves. White people owned white slaves it goes on and on. Since be beginning of time when one group or civilization conquer another they took slaves. Race did and still does not play a part.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:08 am to Salmon
quote:
When one group feels superior to another group based off physical characteristics, heritage, culture, etc
Um. What?
That's not the definition of racism.
Sheesh.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:08 am to Salmon
quote:
When one group feels superior to another group based off physical characteristics, heritage, culture, etc
So, jocks picking on nerds is racist? Rich people moving away from the poors is racist?
FFS - when you cheapen the use of a word so that it is meaningless, you are not doing your side any good at all in the argument. I'll concede that there might be "other than skin color" factors in race evaluation, but that's the starting point and overwhelming factor. But to suggest that English looking down on Scots or Irishmen being racist seems utterly counterproductive to any sincere argument on race, with all due respect.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:08 am to Salmon
quote:
enslaving Irish
Well, now that I've seen that you're conflating the definition of bigotry with the definition of racism...........
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:08 am to Ace Midnight
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Arguably as bad as, or worse than, genocide.
Um no. What would you have rather been? A Jewish person in a concentration camp awaiting to be shot, gassed, or burned to death after being ripped away from your family and having all your wealth taken away or alive on a plantation somewhere able to eat and have a chance of survival? I know which one I would choose.
There is no event worse than The Holocaust. The difference is Jewish people were able to rebound and overcome their persecution to regain a position in the Global society.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:09 am to ShortyRob
I'll ask again
someone define race for me
someone define race for me
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:09 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
So, jocks picking on nerds is racist? Rich people moving away from the poors is racist?
Where the frick did he get that definition anyway?
I mean, I've no doubt that liberals are running with it..........but LOL
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:10 am to Salmon
quote:
someone define race for me
Dude, you just delivered a definition of "racism" that is NOT a definition of racism.
LOL.
Your definition of racism would include me hating bald people.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:10 am to Salmon
Bigotry =/= racism
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:10 am to Machine
quote:. Good! Now you are getting it. That is a correct use of the word irony. And if you failed to see that was intentional, your sense of humor needs as much work as your vocabulary.
more irony!
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:11 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:10 am to BBONDS25
quote:omg are you trying to kill me with irony today?
your sense of humor needs as much work as your vernacular.
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