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Billy Mitchell's dubious Donkey Kong scores finally getting real scrutiny
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:13 pm
I guess this is part of the fallout from Todd Rogers (best known for a Dragster record that has been impossible to duplicate) getting popped for likely cheating on a shitload of his long held gaming records from the 80s. LINK
Seems like King of Kong really did have ole Billy pegged as a douche.
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Seems like King of Kong really did have ole Billy pegged as a douche.
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A prominent Donkey Kong forum has removed some scores supposedly earned by legendary arcade game player Billy Mitchell after evidence that there was possible foul play. Mitchell’s scores, which had set world records in Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr., had been recognized by the forum for eight years.
Last week a dispute over Mitchell’s scores came to a boil on the forums for Twin Galaxies, an organization that tracks world records and where Mitchell long ago served as a referee. On the forum poster Jeremy “Xelnia” Young accused Mitchell of using the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator (MAME) to record his scores instead of an arcade cabinet. Young announced that he was removing Mitchell’s scores from the Donkey Kong Forum, a long standing community site dedicated to the arcade games.
“Short of live, time-stamped, complete footage (including full views of cab hardware) of the games in question, I will not be reinstating any of Billy’s scores in question,” Young said. “If this community (and others like it) are built on the idea of friendship through competition, camaraderie through our shared pains in pushing ourselves, our friends, and these games to their limits, then we must strive for honesty and legitimacy.”
Twin Galaxies does accept scores achieved in a special version of MAME called WolfMame. Mitchell’s scores, accepted as authentically occuring on an arcade cabinet, would not have gone under the proper verification process for emulated gameplay. If it was determined that the gameplay was emulated, it would not align with claims that the score was performed at an arcade.
Young’s argument centers upon the way original arcade cabinets and MAME draw images to the screen when loading the game. While the original hardware loads levels from one side of the screen to the other, MAME loads levels in large chunks. Comparing the loading screens on Mitchell’s scores and comparing them to footage of arcade machines, Young concluded that Mitchell’s 2010 scores were actually performed through emulation.
Video for Mitchell’s scores were directly captured from the game’s screen and do not show him playing on a cabinet. Twin Galaxies submissions require players to show video proof that they were playing the game at the time. At the time of Mitchell’s score, a referee also needed to be present to validate the scores. The referee for Mitchell’s 2010 scores was infamous Atari score-setter Todd Rogers who has been in the middle of a score dispute of his own. Last week, following a case built against his alleged score in the Atari 2600 game Dragster, Twin Galaxies concluded the score was “impossible” and removed all of Rogers scores from their records, banning him from further participation. When asked by Kotaku to discuss witnessing Mitchell’s record, Rogers did not reply.
According to former Twin Galaxies employee Patrick Scott Patterson, Rogers presented Twin Galaxies with VCR recordings of the scores but said, to his knowledge, the tapes could not be viewed or verified at the time.
“I do remember there was talk of a video tape,” David Nelson told Kotaku over the phone. “I think it was in Todd’s possession. Did I see it? No. I don’t know if Todd was hanging on to it for safekeeping or not letting people see it but even if we did get it there would have been no time to review this tape in the manner that it required. ”
It is unclear what happened to the tape if the tapes truly existed and what may had happened to them, but what is clear is that the lead up to Mitchell’s announcement was a contentious period.
“This was a pretty big deal and I certainly wasn’t going to make the call alone.” Nelson said. “We talked about it for hours and we hashed it out.”
“We were keeping [the scores] quiet with everyone else,” Patterson told Kotaku via phone. “ We held a secret ballot if we should take the scores. I don’t know what the results were.”
Another elite player, Wes Copeland, has accused Mitchell’s Donkey Kong score as being bogus, citing what he categorized as a suspiciously fortuitous point gain from a part of the game governed by random number generation, or RNG.
“Most of Billy’s points in his direct feed games comes from blue barrel smashes. These are completely RNG-based, yet somehow his averages are way above the mean,” the former Donkey Kong world record holder wrote on Twitter. “This is evidence of splicing. Billy replayed the boards over and over until he got the right smash RNG to lock in his pace.”
“For all we know, he did a white lie and did it on MAME or something on the computer,” Patterson said. “I’ve had lots of questions over the years.”
Mitchell’s direct feed recording does not show him playing the game nor does it verify the kind of joystick he was using at the time. Without additional video proof, Mitchell’s score may now also be in jeopardy on the Twin Galaxies leaderboards.
“Twin Galaxies is in the process of fully-reviewing the compelling evidence provided by Jeremy Young to support his current score dispute case against Billy Mitchell’s Donkey Kong score,” Twin Galaxies commissioner Dave Hawksett told Kotaku via email. “We will do this thoroughly and impartially. In the meantime we will continue to observe this discussion by experts in the community and will also examine any further evidence that may be provided during this review period. We are taking this matter quite seriously.”
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:16 pm to Dr RC
That is some serious fricking nerd shite right there
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:23 pm to geauxtigers87
If you haven't seen The King of Kong you should.
LINK to full movie on YouTube
The lengths Mitchell and his Twin Galaxies crew go to keep him on top for something so trivial are kind of impressive in a sad way.
For years Mitchell claimed the movie railroaded him but it sure does seem like it may have been right the entire time.
LINK to full movie on YouTube
The lengths Mitchell and his Twin Galaxies crew go to keep him on top for something so trivial are kind of impressive in a sad way.
For years Mitchell claimed the movie railroaded him but it sure does seem like it may have been right the entire time.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:31 pm to Dr RC
Using MAME in the 80s?
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:38 pm to musick
The scores in question weren't from the 80s. They were from around when Steve Wiebe started beating his old records around 2007.
If you watch the doc, the verification process by Twin Galaxies was so incredibly arbitrary that it seems like the core group of guys who were supposed to be keep records were actually just making sure they and their friends were the ones who stayed on top.
The movie is only an hour and twenty minutes and is a really good watch.
If you watch the doc, the verification process by Twin Galaxies was so incredibly arbitrary that it seems like the core group of guys who were supposed to be keep records were actually just making sure they and their friends were the ones who stayed on top.
The movie is only an hour and twenty minutes and is a really good watch.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:13 pm to Dr RC
Yeah, that doc is really good. Billy is a super douche, so I'm glad his shite got pulled. Chasing ghosts is another really great score nerd doc.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:37 pm to musick
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Using MAME in the 80s?
No, there are three scores in question.
The famous "tape" score from King of Kong which he claims as the first over one million score. And two others from after that to beat Weibe's scores.
DKF moved his score back to a score that was performed live in 2004, so he wasn't removed from the leader boards entirely like Rogers. His new high score is 933,900.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 6:14 pm to Dr RC
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Seems like King of Kong really did have ole Billy pegged as a douche.
Still not as big of a douche as Brian Kuh. Billy Mitchell at least pisses excellence. As Obi Wan Kenobi would say: Who is more douchey: the douche, or the douche who follows him?

This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:45 pm to Dr RC
His youngest son plays football at Army. #CSB
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:26 pm to Dr RC
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Seems like King of Kong really did have ole Billy pegged as a douche.
I've known some arse hats in my life, but none that came across more so than Billy Mitchell.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 2:24 pm to OMLandshark
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That guy was such a prick
Posted on 2/11/18 at 2:46 pm to stat19
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I've known some arse hats in my life, but none that came across more so than Billy Mitchell.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 6:34 pm to Dr RC
Lol just watched the doc and didn’t know any of this going in. These people are all crazy
feel bad for the Wiebe guy.
Love Billy’s wife. Just having massive tits on display all the time.
Love Billy’s wife. Just having massive tits on display all the time.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 7:47 pm to McCaigBro69
King of Kong was a great doc but damn would I love to punch Billy in the face just once.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:44 pm to bcoop199
I love King of Kong. Such a wonderful collection of strange misfits
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:56 am to LesGeaux45
BIlly Mitchell’s Scores Removed by Twin Galaxies
Congratulations to Steve Wiebe on the first 1,000,000 Donkey Kong run.
Congratulations to Steve Wiebe on the first 1,000,000 Donkey Kong run.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:59 am to CorporateTiger
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BIlly Mitchell’s Scores Removed by Twin Galaxies
Suck it, Billy
Posted on 4/12/18 at 11:53 am to sicboy
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