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Help me understand the Comey letter that caused Hillary to lose the election
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:15 am
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:15 am
So now that we know Comey or FBI never intended to press charges all along.
How does this information connect or fit with the letter a few weeks before the election about looking into the emails one more time?...then Democrats raised hell, a week later Comey said "Just bad judgement on Hillary's' part handling classified information, no criminal intent"
what the heck was that all about?
guilty conscious to make it look like he was trying to do the right thing?
How does this information connect or fit with the letter a few weeks before the election about looking into the emails one more time?...then Democrats raised hell, a week later Comey said "Just bad judgement on Hillary's' part handling classified information, no criminal intent"
what the heck was that all about?
guilty conscious to make it look like he was trying to do the right thing?
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:17 am to ApexTiger
The uncorrupted foot soldiers were threatening to leak info
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:19 am to ApexTiger
He had testified to Congress he would inform them if the investigation was reopened (not sure of exact phrasing) so had he not informed them he would have faced charges
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:20 am to ApexTiger
He had to do it after Congress told him that if something changes he was to report it to the committee. He was trying to save his bacon and because the tip came from NYPD, he couldn't bury the new information unilaterally.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:24 am to ApexTiger
He'd previously told Congress that he would update them on any new developments.
Weiner and his laptop was a new development.
As such, Comey was forced to get his troupe back together for an impromptu fourth act of investigative theater.
He probably felt that given the shady nature of the previous "investigation", his credibility in the eyes of congress demanded it.
Weiner and his laptop was a new development.
As such, Comey was forced to get his troupe back together for an impromptu fourth act of investigative theater.
He probably felt that given the shady nature of the previous "investigation", his credibility in the eyes of congress demanded it.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:28 am to ApexTiger
1. He had testified he would re-open if anything changed. The revelation of Huma’s/Weiner’s Laptop having 600,000 saves emails, likely including Hillary’s 30,000 deleted emails, was an obviously huge “change” that the FBI has to address.
2. They can’t take custody of the laptop and investigate it with the investigation technically “closed”. By law he had to re-open it. Especially since he testified he would.
2. They can’t take custody of the laptop and investigate it with the investigation technically “closed”. By law he had to re-open it. Especially since he testified he would.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:35 am to ApexTiger
Hillary was supposed to win. Comey went along with their crimes since Hillary would be in office and cover it all up. Turns out there's info out there now that the DOJ said all along they wouldn't prosecute so Comey didn't waste his time with it. But Trump won, and in the hearings, Comey had to explain that he knew about it but "no credible attorney would take the case". That's why he looked like he was on the fence. Had to appease the old Hillary and new Trump at same time.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:41 am to ApexTiger
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what the heck was that all about?
I see two scenarios:
1) Comey had honest intentions at first then was quashed by Lynch and the Clinton machine.
2) It was a ruse from the start designed to make it look like they really were trying to get to the bottom of it. Remember, lots of people were mad about her being treated with kid gloves, so if you wanted to clear her, you first announce publicly you are "looking into it" to give the illusion you really care. That way when you clear her you can say you really tried and found nothing. This is more believable than merely coming out of the blue before the election and saying "oh, by the way, Hillary dindu nuffin, we've done looked into it."
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:41 am to ApexTiger
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guilty conscious to make it look like he was trying to do the right thing?
Conscience? No way. Comey was trying to buck up His public image as being "above reproach", because He knew He was going to have to back up His (ludicrous/legally-contrarian) assertion that there was "no intent" to commit a crime. When He damn well knows that Intent - under Law - has NOTHING to do with Gross Negligence.
Now we know. They colluded with the Dems to cut Hillary loose long ago. And to help Her win against Trump. And further employ the "insurance policy" if Trump won.
That is where we are now. The Documentation re the above is on the verge of public release. Where it goes from there, God only knows.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:50 am to RCDfan1950
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That is where we are now. The Documentation re the above is on the verge of public release. Where it goes from there, God only knows
So Trump knew all along Comey was dirty with Hillary and thus fired him?'
what was the loyalty bit about?
Steve
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:50 am to RCDfan1950
I think they(Dem criminals) wanted to get something out there before the Rep side on these new emails so they tried the ole "we found more but nothing to see here folks" routine and it backfired. I think that did cost her many votes. They just didn't think Trump could win and they still act as if he did not win.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:07 am to ApexTiger
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the Comey letter that caused Hillary to lose the election
It wasn't a letter; it was a post-it note that said "Hillary you really suck as a candidate"
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:11 am to ApexTiger
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So Trump knew all along Comey was dirty with Hillary and thus fired him?' what was the loyalty bit about? Steve
It's hard to know exactly what Trump knew, AT. The Deep State was essentially Obama/Never Trump at the time of the Election and even the Transition, and Trump even suspected that He was being "wiretapped". I doubt that He knew where Comey stood. After that meeting, and Comey's Leak...that removed any doubt. Therein the infamous firing.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:11 am to ApexTiger
New evidence that had to be addressed.
Remember, that second Comey exoneration came after all of the Hillary emails were found on the Weiner laptop that was reviewed during the Weiner sex investigation.
There was no way the FBI could ignore that because NYPD investigators made it known.
Funny, how Clinton's loss might be attributed in part to her confidantes pervy husband.
Remember, that second Comey exoneration came after all of the Hillary emails were found on the Weiner laptop that was reviewed during the Weiner sex investigation.
There was no way the FBI could ignore that because NYPD investigators made it known.
Funny, how Clinton's loss might be attributed in part to her confidantes pervy husband.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:11 am to ApexTiger
He probably thought Hillary would still win but wanted to have this over her so he could keep his job after she won, ie blackmail
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:18 am to ApexTiger
Hillary was beyond pissed that Comey re-opened the investigation 8 days before the election. She still to this day lists it in her book as the #1 reason she lost.
And the fact we know now that Comey fudged the investigation on purpose and had months in advance already decided he wouldn’t recommend prosecution, meaning he was clearly in the tank for Hillary, we can ONLY conclude that his reason for re-opening the investigation and damaging Hillary was because he was FORCED to do it or be in serious trouble.
It wasn’t grandstanding. It wasn’t him trying to save his reputation. It was clearly because the only way to address the 600,000 emails on Weiner’s laptop was to re-open the investigation.
Which, by the way, was all for show because 48 hours later they were somehow done examining 600,000 emails and he yet again said nothing to see here and closed the investigation again.
But we now know there were several pieces of classified materials in these emails. That came out later. Which means they didn’t do shite for those 48 hours.
Logic says Comey and Team Hillary were afraid of what was on those emails, and the only way for the FBI to take custody of the laptop from the NYPD was to re-open the investigation and therefore invoke jurisdiction.
I don’t see how the FBI could otherwise seize the laptop if their investigation was technically closed. I think they were afraid of the NYPD finding significant dirt in those 600,000 emails.
And the fact we know now that Comey fudged the investigation on purpose and had months in advance already decided he wouldn’t recommend prosecution, meaning he was clearly in the tank for Hillary, we can ONLY conclude that his reason for re-opening the investigation and damaging Hillary was because he was FORCED to do it or be in serious trouble.
It wasn’t grandstanding. It wasn’t him trying to save his reputation. It was clearly because the only way to address the 600,000 emails on Weiner’s laptop was to re-open the investigation.
Which, by the way, was all for show because 48 hours later they were somehow done examining 600,000 emails and he yet again said nothing to see here and closed the investigation again.
But we now know there were several pieces of classified materials in these emails. That came out later. Which means they didn’t do shite for those 48 hours.
Logic says Comey and Team Hillary were afraid of what was on those emails, and the only way for the FBI to take custody of the laptop from the NYPD was to re-open the investigation and therefore invoke jurisdiction.
I don’t see how the FBI could otherwise seize the laptop if their investigation was technically closed. I think they were afraid of the NYPD finding significant dirt in those 600,000 emails.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:57 am to Adam Banks
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He had testified to Congress he would inform them if the investigation was reopened (not sure of exact phrasing) so had he not informed them he would have faced charges
He absolutely DID NOT testify to that. This is the quote that dishonest pundits have used to claim that he promised to notify Congress if the investigation was reopened.
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LAMAR SMITH ------- My first question is this: Would you reopen the Clinton investigation if you discovered new information that was both relevant and substantial?
JAMES COMEY ------ It is hard for me to answer in the abstract. We would certainly look at any new and substantial information.
LINK
He said the FBI would look at any new information, but he absolutely did not imply in any way that he would break FBI policy against commenting on ongoing investigations and inform congress of any future changes. The idea that he did is just another "alternative fact" (read: lie) that dishonest right wing pundits have pushed on people too lazy to check the facts themselves.
When the FBI informed the DOJ of the letter Comey was sending, the justification that they gave was that Giuliani's thugs in the New York office were going to leak the information anyway.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:11 am to BeefDawg
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Which, by the way, was all for show because 48 hours later they were somehow done examining 600,000 emails and he yet again said nothing to see here and closed the investigation again.
Wrong. There was more than a week between Comey sending the letter to congress and the announcement that they found nothing incriminating. Not to mention that they had the emails for some amount of time before the letter was sent as well. Comey sent the letter to congress 11 days before the election and announced that the investigation was being closed again 2 days before the election.
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the only way for the FBI to take custody of the laptop from the NYPD was to re-open the investigation and therefore invoke jurisdiction.
Wrong again. The FBI were the ones who originally seized the laptop from Weiner to begin with. The NYPD never had it. Weiner was messaging with minors across state lines. He was tried in federal court and sentenced to federal prison. The FBI had jurisdiction over the laptop because THEY seized it as a part of a FEDERAL investigation into Weiner's FEDERAL crimes.
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