re: Why should the U.S. be an enemy of modern day Russia?

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Did I say anything positive about Obama's foreign policy or are you just changing the subject?

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I am not changing the subject. It is the height of hypocrisy, imo, for a party to ATTACK a candidate in 2012 for being tough on russia and then turn around and blast the 2016 candidate for being too soft.

Why shouldn't Obama be chastised for short-sighted policy in the 2012 election regarding russia?

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I think we excuse it with the complex thought of - just because someone opposes Trump - does not make them pro centrist-Democrat.

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You guys went after romney for being too tough on russia. Don't try to act like it didn't happen.

I have no doubt you supported Obama's russia talking points in 2012.

Part of being consistent is being equally outraged at different people.

You guys are angry at trump's soft russia policy, but you didn't do anything to fight Obama's soft russia policy.

That's hypocrisy.

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You guys went after romney for being too tough on russia. Don't try to act like it didn't happen.

I have no doubt you supported Obama's russia talking points in 2012.

Part of being consistent is being equally outraged at different people.

You guys are angry at trump's soft russia policy, but you didn't do anything to fight Obama's soft russia policy.

That's hypocrisy.

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I didn't support it and I don't know who "you guys" are. You're falling for the trap again.

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I bet Putin loves people like you.

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The military-industrial complex loves interventionist Democrats like you. Just like the neocons, you always need a boogeyman to justify spending trillions of taxpayer dollars on weapons and proxy conflicts so that U.S. militarism can be exported to every corner of the planet.

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How many elections do we need to interfere with?

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This doesn't matter to Putin. Russia doesn't have free and fair elections already and is threatened by any countries that do. Putin uses active measures to make the west look divided, corrupt, weak. He won't stop until it starts to cost him more than he gains.

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We interfere with other governments elections worse than the Russians ever have.

Here are some cases where OBAMA directly interfered with another countries elections.

1) Obama, as a U.S. Senator, illegally used a taxpayer-financed trip to campaign for far-left presidential candidate Raila Odinga in Kenya’s 2006 elections.

2) During Israel’s 2015 elections, the Obama administration — led by Secretary of State John Kerry — illegally intervened when they attempted to defeat the reelection of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by covertly funneling State Department grants to opposition groups.

3) Under the Obama administration the U.S. government has quietly spent millions of taxpayer dollars to destabilize the democratically elected, center-right government in Macedonia by colluding with leftwing, billionaire philanthropist George Soros.” Indeed, Obama’s ambassador to Macedonia, Jeff Baily, worked to funnel millions of dollars from the State Department and USAID to groups created by Soros which were, according to JW, working to overthrow the conservative government.

4) In 2011, Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, not only interfered politically in Libya but militarily as well, by orchestrating a series of policies designed to remove Muammar Gaddafi from power. While it would be a stretch to call Gaddafi a U.S. ally, he was cooperating with the U.S.A. in fighting Islamic extremists and had turned over all his WMDs to American officials.

5)Shortly after Obama was elected, leftist Honduran president Manual Zelaya attempted to illegally amend the Honduran Constitution so as to allow himself to serve as President longer than one term. Incredibly, Zelaya and a mob broke into a military installation where blank ballots were stored and tried to hold a constitutional referendum without the support of the election authorities. As a result, on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, he was forcefully removed from office as Honduran law calls for.

Obama attacked Zelaya’s removal, falsely calling it a “coup d’état” and a WikiLeaks cable revealed that Obama backed Zelaya’s reinstatement in order to please Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, who, like Fidel Castro, was an ally of Zelaya. Instead of supporting the right of Hondurans to remove their president for unconstitutional actions, Obama tried to pressure Honduras into reinstating Zelaya by freezing all non-humanitarian aid.


6) Like Libya, the Obama administration encouraged opposition to President Hosni Mubarak and intervened in elections to ensure that a radical Muslim Brotherhood leader, Mohammed Morsi, was elected president. Obama’s State Department even gave political training to MB leaders. Again, similar to Gadhafi, Mubarak was relatively secular and Egypt was becoming increasingly westernized. He was an ally of the U.S.A. and an opponent of radical jihadists.

And the Obama administration was open about its efforts. The Los Angeles Times reported that the “Obama administration said for the first time that it supports a role for groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood

I'm not sure I understand your position.

Would any of those countries be wrong to oppose the United States based on those examples (if true)?

It not only isn't ridiculous (any of those nations would have fair reason to proportionality retaliate against the US), but it really only scratches the surface for reasons why Russian is an American adversary. The chief reason is of course their repeated undermining of sovereignty of NATO nations, support of Assad and Hezbollah and Iran, seizing Crimea and the general fact that they consider themselves at war with the west and regularly use hacking, information ops, and subversion of democracy throughout the west as routine tactics.

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Because Russia is actively engaged in a sustained effort to undercut American influence and power.

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Maybe we should end much of our shitty foreign policy. Out power and influence = doing crappy shite or other countries

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Hillary said so. Pretty much it.

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But she didn't mean it, we all know that.