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Member when Miles supporters said, "Okay - make sure we know...
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:06 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:06 am
what we're doing. This CAN get worse. Winning doesn't just 'happen.'"?
I mean, the man was stubborn. I felt his failure to adapt, particularly offensively, including letting go of folks on his staff he considered friends, probably warranted release.
But at what cost? For what replacement? I can't believe even the vast majority of the Negas and Sabanistas wouldn't undo the change seeing the HC that was selected and the results - yes, 2 9-win seasons are nothing at which to sneeze.
So, it isn't just nostalgia that harkens back to the Miles era - there is a certain amount of fun or "exuberance" around the program with Miles versus O. And he never lost to MSU by 4 TDs or any opponent like Troy (although it was freakin' close that one time).
Still hoping it works out. :fingersandtoescrossed:
I mean, the man was stubborn. I felt his failure to adapt, particularly offensively, including letting go of folks on his staff he considered friends, probably warranted release.
But at what cost? For what replacement? I can't believe even the vast majority of the Negas and Sabanistas wouldn't undo the change seeing the HC that was selected and the results - yes, 2 9-win seasons are nothing at which to sneeze.
So, it isn't just nostalgia that harkens back to the Miles era - there is a certain amount of fun or "exuberance" around the program with Miles versus O. And he never lost to MSU by 4 TDs or any opponent like Troy (although it was freakin' close that one time).
Still hoping it works out. :fingersandtoescrossed:
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:10 am to Ace Midnight
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Member when Miles supporters said, "Okay - make sure we know...
Well. I mean, sure.
But, I've fired a person or two in my lifetime.
I didn't immediately try to find the least fricking qualified replacement right behind them!
If a person needs to be fired, they need to be fired. They don't suddenly get better just because you go full retard when replacing them.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:11 am to ShortyRob
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They don't suddenly get better just because you go full retard when replacing them.
Okay - you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
Do you do it, yes or no?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:12 am to Ace Midnight
As with Fulmer at Tennessee, the issue was not that a change did not need to be made. It was time to go for Fulmer as it was for Les. They were both trending downward.
Of course you can make a hire that's worse...there is always risk in change. Time will tell, not us.
Of course you can make a hire that's worse...there is always risk in change. Time will tell, not us.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:14 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Okay - you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
Do you do it, yes or no?
Well of course. But that's not the point.
The point is, Miles STILL sucks. Alleva being a tard didn't change that. No one ever said Miles was the ONLY guy who could suck or that he sucked worse than ANYONE else.
You're not supposed to hire with an eye towards proving those who opposed the firing correct.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:19 am to ShortyRob
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If a person needs to be fired, they need to be fired. They don't suddenly get better just because you go full retard when replacing them
Right here
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:21 am to Ace Midnight
We're at the beginning stages of Tennessee post Fulmer, Texas post Brown. Dark days ahead. 
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:23 am to ShortyRob
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The point is, Miles STILL sucks.
How many LSU coaches defeated Florida, Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee in the same season?
How many times did that coach accomplish the above?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:27 am to Tiger Ugly
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Of course you can make a hire that's worse...there is always risk in change.
This isn't true. An empty chair would have been an improvement from Hallman. For example, lots of folks on here rag on Dinardo. Dinardo was so much better than Hallman, it's unfair to compare them in any way. Dinardo was an actual "football coach" - Hallman was - well, not that.
And Dinardo did more with less than almost any LSU coach in history other than Mac. LSU is reverting back to its inherently cheap ways. This was illustrated by letting Jimbo walk away when the only thing left to agree on was money.
How much money are they paying coaches NOT to coach right now? Penny wise, pound foolish. Of course they're not going to take a hit overnight, but by the time they do, we could be in a decade long funk again.
And it's all because folks were rabid about firing the most successful coach in history. If we had engineered his exit better - somewhat on his terms, I think this could have gone much, much more smoothly.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 7:33 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:31 am to Ace Midnight
quote:It's not true that there's always risk in change? Do you know the meaning of the word risk? You can't cite a circumstance where change was better to say there's no risk in change. That's silly.
This isn't true
As to firing Miles on his terms. That's a pipe dream. That fricker straight lied his arse off at the end.
He needed to be fired. Should have been fired at half time of the Wisky game just for his flagrant lie.
Alleva being incompetent doesn't suddenly make Miles MORE competent.
If your guy writing target software NEVER gets the missile to hit it's target.......so you fire him and hire a dude that makes the missile hit YOU, that doesn't mean the prior guy didn't need to be fired. It means YOU are an idiot.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:35 am to ShortyRob
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It's not true that there's always risk in change?
Sorry. I agree there is at least a nominal, generalized risk with any change. I disagree with the assertion, "You can always hire a worse coach." I was thinking specifically of Hallman, but obviously there are others.
There was no worse choice of head coach than Hallman. Lou Tepper, a turd sandwich, hell, I was in my mid-20s and had zero football coaching experience, and I would have been a better coach than Hallman.
And when you have a coach like Miles, who is tending down, you don't replace him with a guy who never trended up, particularly if you don't have to.
Period.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:39 am to ShortyRob
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Well of course. But that's not the point. The point is, Miles STILL sucks. Alleva being a tard didn't change that. No one ever said Miles was the ONLY guy who could suck or that he sucked worse than ANYONE else.
Actually, it is the point. You don't make a change at a position like head football coach at LSU without having a plan to insure that you are improving the situation. Until you can come up with that plan you keep the status quo. Alleva had almost a year to come up with that plan and did less work on it than the average poster on this board.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:40 am to Ace Midnight
quote:How can you disagree with something 100% factually correct?
Sorry. I agree there is at least a nominal, generalized risk with any change. I disagree with the assertion, "You can always hire a worse coach." I was thinking specifically of Hallman, but obviously there are others.
I mean, unless you are in possession of the worst possible coach, it is exceedingly possible that your next hire will be worse.
I mean, in LSU's case, we seem to have said "frick it, let's remove the RISK and just hire someone worse".......but that's another story. LOL
quote:Oh contrare. Never say never. Those guys both had been successful SOMEWHERE.
There was no worse choice of head coach than Hallman. Lou Tepper, a turd sandwich,
Hell. Let's be blunt. If you hired O as Hallman's successor. Upgrade or downgrade? I mean, ya know, based on resume, that's actually a tough call!
quote:Well dude. I've been saying that from day one.
And when you have a coach like Miles, who is tending down, you don't replace him with a guy who never trended up, particularly if you don't have to.
Period.
I'm merely pointing out that doing that stupid thing does not suddenly mean Miles didn't need to be fired.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:53 am to ShortyRob
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If a person needs to be fired, they need to be fired. They don't suddenly get better just because you go full retard when replacing them.
That’s true but if a person is adequately performing a job that you are required to fill, you do not fire them unless you have a person you reasonably expect to do a better job is hired or has committed to being hired by you. You certainly don’t replace them with someone who did the same job horribly at another company just because the first guy you interview says he has another company interested.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:55 am to mdomingue
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That’s true but if a person is adequately performing a job that you are required to fill, you do not fire them unless you have a person you reasonably expect to do a better job is hired or has committed to being hired by you. You certainly don’t replace them with someone who did the same job horribly at another company just because the first guy you interview says he has another company interested
I agree 100%. But again to repeat the obvious. If you have a person that needs to be replaced and you do make the stupid decision of replacing them with someone worse that doesn't change the original reality.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:58 am to Ace Midnight
It’s just a waiting game at this point for me. Need to wait out the frustration until we fire coach O and get someone as good or better than Miles. I just hope he next hire will be a homerun. Until then, I have low expectations
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:06 am to Ace Midnight
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Okay - you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
Here is my opinion. O has 2 more chances to beat Saban. If he doesn't, he's gone. So is Alleva. If Miles were still here and Saban wins another natty by pulling Hurts for Tua, forget this board, this fan base would be Chernobyl. Everything in the middle I feel is kind of irrelevant.
So I guess my answer is yes, and no.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:06 am to Ace Midnight
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you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
No. Miles was not going to adapt. O still hasn't failed. I know some on here love to be over dramtic and claim LSU football is dead but winning 9 games does not support the doom and gloom portrayed on here.
Any new head coach needs at least 2-3 years to prove himself and will get that much time regardless of how good/bad the hire is. The fact is he went 9-4 with 2 bad losses (the loss to miss st. was bad b/c of the margin, losing on the road in the sec team to a good team isn't a bad loss). Bottom line is O hasn't done anything to get fired.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:07 am to ShortyRob
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The point is, Miles STILL sucks.
This takes away any credibility you could've had. It's just plain stupid to say he sucked. He was hands down the most successful coach LSU ever had and nobody has beaten saban(isn't this the measuring stick?) more than him. No coach was gonna be in the title game regularly with Saban in their division.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:09 am to Ace Midnight
quote:No. But the choice is not limited to just O. I would still say it was past time to swap out CLM. Maybe conduct a real, real search and not limit the field to just Herman and Jimbo? Do it by end of season, latest?
Okay - you're the AD of LSU - you can magically swap Miles for O at no cost, today.
Do you do it, yes or no?
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