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re: Goodbye Net Neutrality; Hello Competition
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:49 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:49 pm to I B Freeman
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It is amazing when I have suggested that they will not acknowledge that is the problem. I think most of these NN proponents are puppets for the big guys that would profit from FCC regulation.
Funny considering 99% of the public comments favoring the NN repeal were made by bots
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:55 pm to stuntman
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Have you ever asked yourself why these cable companies basically have monopoly power in every town they're in already?
Because no one stop them from working out exclusive monopolies with each other and Regional dominance. Just a shot in the dark because they already had that level of dominance before net neutrality laws. Net neutrality just stopped it from getting worse
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:58 pm to I B Freeman
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With market-based pricing finally permitted, we could see new entrants to the industry because it might make economic sense for the first time to innovate.
Finally permitted? It was permitted from the dawn of the internet all the way until 2015. It was impossible for new entrants to survive, including Google that has already thrown in the towel.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:59 pm to I B Freeman
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By analogy, let’s imagine that a retailer furniture company were in a position to offload all their shipping costs to the trucking industry. By government decree, the truckers were not permitted to charge any more or less whether they were shipping one chair or a whole houseful of furniture. Would the furniture sellers favor such a deal? Absolutely. They could call this “furniture neutrality” and fob it off on the public as preventing control of furniture by the shipping industry.
They can't even get a basic analogy right..
A more correct analogy would be.. 'In 2015, neutral trucking rules were passed making it so that trucking companies are no longer permitted to charge by type of cargo and can now only charge by total cargo weight.' ... But then in 2017 the neutral trucking rule was repealed allowing trucking companies to arbitrarily up the price of cargo delivery for start-up furniture stores or competitors and offer reduced-cost or free shipping from the competing IKEA they own.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:03 pm to cave canem
I don’t think NN had or has anything to do with companies investing in technology, I do believe however that now that the government isn’t propping up the companies that finger bang you assholes there will be more competition. Free market absolutely encourages competition, for you to not understand that proves you should stay away from adult conversations
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:05 pm to Ebbandflow
No, local governments are the reason.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:11 pm to MOJO mod
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I don’t think NN had or has anything to do with companies investing in technology, I do believe however that now that the government isn’t propping up the companies that finger bang you assholes there will be more competition. Free market absolutely encourages competition, for you to not understand that proves you should stay away from adult conversations
please explain how repealing net neutrality can increase competition when start-ups do not have reasonable access to (or approval to work in public ROWs) the infrastructure required to deliver a product?
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:18 pm to bmy
Net neutrality does absolutely nothing to encourage OR discourage competition, I believe there will be more competition with LESS government interference or regulation. Big companies like at&t, Verizon, Comcast etc have benefited more from the regulation than any start up or smaller company. Government regulation will never encourage innovation thus the repeal of NN and further de-regulation of the industry will help move technology along quicker.
And again, my point is based on rural internet availability or lack of, and the HOPE that more competition will be good for everyone.
And again, my point is based on rural internet availability or lack of, and the HOPE that more competition will be good for everyone.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:21 pm to MOJO mod
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Net neutrality does absolutely nothing to encourage OR discourage competition, I believe there will be more competition with LESS government interference or regulation.
The existing telecom companies heavily supported the repeal. That tells me that they see a comparative advantage in a world without NN. So how can you say that NN does not encourage or discourage innovation?
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:34 pm to MOJO mod
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Government regulation will never encourage innovation
This isn't true at all.. setting regulatory standards can foster innovation. Detailing how something must technically be done stifles innovation, though.
Getting rid of anti-competitive legislation passed to protect ISPs from competition would be a great start. It's got to happen on the local level and until then competition will be choked out.. which is why NN principles are important as a temporary consumer protection.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:36 pm to MOJO mod
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I do believe however that now that the government isn’t propping up the companies that finger bang you assholes there will be more competition. Free market absolutely encourages competition, for you to not understand that proves you should stay away from adult conversations
Good lord man you are clueless as to what is even being discussed, this has jack shite to do with competition in the ISP market, it takes a special kind of stupid to even make that claim, congrats.
Put up the bat signal and the mouth breathers come a runnin', clueless to what is even being discussed while foaming at the mouth about free market, just as predictable as the sun rising in the east.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 12:56 am to MOJO mod
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Big companies like at&t, Verizon, Comcast etc have benefited more from the regulation than any start up or smaller company
Is that why those big companies cried about the NN rules until they got the repeal they wanted?
Posted on 1/7/18 at 12:59 am to I B Freeman
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At long last, with the end of “net neutrality,” competition could soon come to the industry that delivers Internet services to you.
Oh, so he is also swiping away the monopolies involved?
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:01 am to bmy
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This isn't true at all.. setting regulatory standards can foster innovation. Detailing how something must technically be done stifles innovation, though.
Getting rid of anti-competitive legislation passed to protect ISPs from competition would be a great start. It's got to happen on the local level and until then competition will be choked out.. which is why NN principles are important as a temporary consumer protection.
QFT, every syllable.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:02 am to Northwestern tiger
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since consumers are being left with no option in most cases
That's not true...at all...
Lmhy...
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since SOME consumers are being left with no IMAGINATION ON WAYS TO OPTIMIZE THEIR I.S.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:06 am to I B Freeman
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By government decree, the truckers were not permitted to charge any more or less whether they were shipping one chair or a whole houseful of furniture. Would the furniture sellers favor such a deal? Absolutely. They could call this “furniture neutrality” and fob it off on the public as preventing control of furniture by the shipping industry.
Wait, what?
They were always allowed to charge on the quantity and the quality of the service.
To fit it in your analogy, you want to allow companies to dramatically upcharge an address simply because they see they are delievering to the rich side of town, even though they would charge less to transport the same payload further away to a less affluent area.
By the way, that moving company is legally the only allowed provider in the area of the type of service you need to move the type of furniture.
And you call that situation a “free market” scenario
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:08 am to I B Freeman
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competition could soon come
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You might be able to pick
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we could see new entrants
What on Earth could possibly make someone believe that regulation that essentially says "don't frick your customers" is the reason there is little competition in the ISP market?
ISPs have been consolidating for a very long time, and the reason for that is pure free market forces. We would have seen more consolidation and even fewer choices if not for those big meanies in government regulating mergers. It simply makes economic sense to not compete in building infrastructure. Consolidation WILL happen. Wishing upon a free market will not magically make competition emerge.
And now we don't have any protections from the inevitable monopoly power abuses. Thanks, dumbasses.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:09 am to IceTiger
So with enough imagination I can bypass the latency involved in all wireless transmissions?
With enough imagination left over to counter getting half the speed for double the price?
With enough imagination left over to counter getting half the speed for double the price?
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:14 am to Volvagia
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They were always allowed to charge on the quantity and the quality of the service.
To fit it in your analogy, you want to allow companies to dramatically upcharge an address simply because they see they are delievering to the rich side of town, even though they would charge less to transport the same payload further away to a less affluent area.
By the way, that moving company is legally the only allowed provider in the area of the type of service you need to move the type of furniture.
Actually the entire trucking analogy is flawed, you dont have to hire a truck, you can haul it yourself.
ISP's have rigged the game to make it illegal for you to provide your own service OR set up competition to them.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:56 am to I B Freeman
The mayor of Ft Collins, CO was bitching about NN being voted out, and he said nothing would keep the big companies from running rough shot, so the city of Ft Collins instituted their own fiber ISP service for 7.00 per month. 
He has to be a Dem.
He has to be a Dem. 
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