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re: Canada showed up to the Citrus Bowl press conference - starts at 8 am
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:10 am to nitwit
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:10 am to nitwit
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You are certainly full of anti-Canada rumors lately...
I love Canada's offense and wish he would stay. I have no sources and no information. Just trying to make sense of it all.
And there are a lot of rumors going around about things both sides of this fight have done. And yes, one of the stories going around is that Aranda and Canada hate each other.
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:33 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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And there are a lot of rumors going around about things both sides of this fight have done. And yes, one of the stories going around is that Aranda and Canada hate each other.
Chicken must have changed the board policies because these things used to get squashed with a quickness. Now admins allow wild, rampant speculation and frequent personal attacks against coaches. Wish it had been that way when someone else was coach, or a friend of mine wouldn't have been banned for so long after criticizing Miles (No, my friend wasn't me).
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:41 am to sicboy
sicboy is right...red zone production is key; by scoring touchdowns! and when we had to settle for fields goals; oh my, what an adventure that was!
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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Comparing O to Saban really needs to be a bannable offense. O has literally done nothing to earn that comparison.
It’s not a comparison, it’s a debunking of the point.
You can’t claim that running off coordinators is not a recipe for winning championships when there is easy to find evidence that the premise is not true.
Claiming that the point made is actually a comparison and not a debunking with proof is what avoiding the point looks like.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:09 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Is that really how you interpreted that?
Comparing O to Saban really needs to be a bannable offense. O has literally done nothing to earn that comparison.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If the rumors are true, Aranda and Canada hate each other.
So, if Aranda said it's him or me, what would you do?
Would that change your perspective?
I doubt Aranda has it in him to let petty feelings influence his own performance and job satisfaction.
If Aranda would ever say such a thing, it would reflect poorly on his own character to engage in such childish antics.
In a professional environment, you expect each individual on the team to be different.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:14 pm to thanksjhester
I keep looking at Canada's history.
He is seldom at any place more than a year... HE (his personality) might be the problem ???
...and of course he would want to stay w a $ 1.5MM salary and no HC offers.... no surprise here.
He may have overplayed his hand.
He is seldom at any place more than a year... HE (his personality) might be the problem ???
...and of course he would want to stay w a $ 1.5MM salary and no HC offers.... no surprise here.
He may have overplayed his hand.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:36 pm to rbdallas
Look closer. Two different universities brought him back after he left.
Another coach hired him twice.
Who do you think will have more success in their current roles: O as head coach, or Canada as OC (in his next stop)?
My money is on Canada staying longer at his next stop than Orgeron will be at LSU.
Another coach hired him twice.
Who do you think will have more success in their current roles: O as head coach, or Canada as OC (in his next stop)?
My money is on Canada staying longer at his next stop than Orgeron will be at LSU.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:45 pm to tigerfoot
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I like him even more now. It is bad enough he had to draw the plays up in crayon for O to follow, but when O went to eating them it drove him to the bottle.
LOL!
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:55 pm to FreeState
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Why would Aranda and Canada hate each other? Makes no sense. They each have their own cord of wood to carry.
Coordinators have regular meetings together with the HC, along with all staff meetings. They have plenty of interaction to form opinions of one another, especially if one has an obnoxious personality.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:57 pm to rbdallas
quote:then why did orgeron hire him
e is seldom at any place more than a year... HE (his personality) might be the problem ???
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:02 pm to Bottom9
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It's such bull shite that our egotistical head coach hasn't learned shite from Ole Miss and thinks he can come here and just start running coaches off.
O is LSU's minimum wage version of "I expect loyalty".
#MLSUGA
O cares about O.
This post was edited on 12/29/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:21 pm to LongTime Tiger
Rival intellects frequently clash. It's to be expected. If Orgeron can't manage staff whose expertise dwarfs his own, then what good is he?
He will never be able to hire and manage "The best" out there because there will always be competitive friction among and between rival, macho professionals within a given organization.
He will never be able to hire and manage "The best" out there because there will always be competitive friction among and between rival, macho professionals within a given organization.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:29 pm to Willie Stroker
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It’s not a comparison, it’s a debunking of the point. You can’t claim that running off coordinators is not a recipe for winning championships when there is easy to find evidence that the premise is not true.
Damn, you're dumb.
Tell you what, if Nick Saban was coach at LSU, he could run off both coordinators every year.
Ed Orgeron CANNOT run off coordinators because he was hired with the knowledge that he is a figurehead and a cheerleader who said he would "let his coaches coach."
Sure, Alleva had to spin it that way because he knows he fricked up the hire and knows it will eventually cost him his job--but that's the gameplan. O stays the frick out of the way of the coordinators, which Alleva had to remind him of during the meeting after the Troy game.
WS is correct. Comparing O to Saban in ANYTHING as a head coach should be a bannable offense.
Actually, stupidity should be a bannable offense, but were that the case all the O-pumpers would be gone and the board would be bereft of variety.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:30 pm to sicboy
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Nobody knows what anyone is doing. Canada could be blowing smoke up everyone's arse and it's really him pushing to make a move. We won't know until the dust settles.
Thank you for being objective. This board acts like they are in meetings with Canada and O
wtfPosted on 12/29/17 at 1:34 pm to blackmouthcur
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Rival intellects frequently clash. It's to be expected. If Orgeron can't manage staff whose expertise dwarfs his own, then what good is he? He will never be able to hire and manage "The best" out there because there will always be competitive friction among and between rival, macho professionals within a given organization.
Good post.
I was a sales manager in the car business for 20 years. I remember one particular salesman who was a problem child. He constantly bitched and moaned. He'd grab off new salesmen on the lot and bitch to them about the dealership and the way I ran things.
HOWEVER: this guy sold a shite-ton of cars every month and made good grosses on them. He put a lot of money in my pocket.
No, I did not ignore his bitching and moaning. I confronted him more than once and our relationship was a stormy one.
Did I fire him? Hell no. The car business is a bottom-line business and I wasn't going to fire a productive salesman. MY job depended on those numbers--not whether every salesman liked me.
That's just part of the damn job in a high-profile management position. Insecure managers don't last long.
Orgeron--and Alleva--better learn that in a hurry.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:36 pm to timlan2057
I’m hearing Canada may in fact be staying
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:58 pm to Easternrio
Do tell
Posted on 12/29/17 at 2:02 pm to PsychTiger
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Now admins allow wild, rampant speculation and frequent personal attacks against coaches
The problem is you think simply listing facts about Orgeron is a personal attack.
That means you have a problem with the facts.
This post was edited on 12/29/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 12/29/17 at 2:15 pm to blackmouthcur
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Rival intellects frequently clash. It's to be expected. If Orgeron can't manage staff whose expertise dwarfs his own, then what good is he?
He will never be able to hire and manage "The best" out there because there will always be competitive friction among and between rival, macho professionals within a given organization.
This is a good post.
You don't need a damn kum-ba-ya atmosphere to have a great football program.
In fact, you actually want lieutenants that have the knowledge and experience to challenge you from time to time, because the boss is going to be wrong sometimes and the assistants are there as a failsafe . In our case, history has shown that the boss is going to be wrong a lot.
Orgeron's problem at OM is that he hired people that wouldn't say "hey coach, maybe it's not a good idea to run a full scrimmage in a rain delay." Or "hey coach, could you not bang that bass drum in the office all day, it's really unprofessional and kills morale." Maybe if he didn't run off lieutenants that stand up to him, he would still be coaching at OM as SC says all the time.
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