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Was Coach more successful in recruiting than expected

Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:48 am
Posted by Harv65
Humboldt Co., CA
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:48 am
The new uncharted territory of both a hard cap of 25 and an early signing period was both an opportunity and challenge for coaches this year. Who do you offer, how many early signees do you take, and the big one of pulling back scholarships. I think if Coach new the opportunities post the early signing period he may have not offered a couple of the early signees. I think he likes all his signees just the talent who could come is tough to choose from. Some group of 5 schools will benefit from the hard cap as there will be some quality players still available after the P5 take their picks. Just some thoughts for discussion.
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
13434 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:51 am to
No, this is Lsu. We should expect top classes. Esp with O always being a great recruiter
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
11619 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:00 am to
Neaux
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40203 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:04 am to
I expect LSU to average a 5 ranking, so he did not live up to my expectations as far as ranking. However, I believe this class to be better than its ranking. We definitely trail OSU, Bama, Georgia, Clemson and Texas, and we need to fix that next year, otherwise we will stay stuck in the bottom of the top 25.

We treaded water this year. Orgeron needs an 11 win season and a top 3 recruiting class next year, otherwise we will have seen the summit.
Posted by EXPLAYER
Member since Jul 2017
10786 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:11 am to
H could have top 5 class every year if you want 20 receivers and 10 running backs. He recruited for need . Not sure why do not see that. Big uglies don't get you brownie points.
Posted by SulphursFinest
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2015
8917 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:14 am to
This comment gets on my nerves. We are LSU, everyone should come here... lol

Kind of like, “we are LSU, hand Jimbo a blank check”. LSU doesn’t mean shite, bro.
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9290 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:18 am to
I think this class is better than the rankings indicate. It meets a lot of needs and it’s big on beef, which is never a bad policy for a football team. Even then, there’s a good number of 4 star recruits in this class. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

We all know how recruiting ratings work, so why are we surprised when a kid is underrated? Linemen carry little flash. Alabama offer? Extra star. Alabama commit? National exposure at your signing ceremony.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:20 am to
quote:

H could have top 5 class every year if you want 20 receivers and 10 running backs. He recruited for need .


The Les technique
Posted by phantom70815
Walker, U.S.A
Member since Jan 2010
1391 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:46 am to
quote:

Big uglies don’t get you brownie points


I just don’t get this statement. People act like 4 and 5 star linemen don’t exist, which is totally not true. Yes, there are more 4 and 5 star skill players, but let’s not pretend that those linemen aren’t out there as well. LSU has gotten their share of them in the past.
Posted by mdwilkins
Greenwell Springs, LA
Member since Jun 2011
116 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:48 am to
quote:

The new uncharted territory of both a hard cap of 25 and an early signing period was both an opportunity and challenge for coaches this year. Who do you offer, how many early signees do you take, and the big one of pulling back scholarships. I think if Coach new the opportunities post the early signing period he may have not offered a couple of the early signees. I think he likes all his signees just the talent who could come is tough to choose from. Some group of 5 schools will benefit from the hard cap as there will be some quality players still available after the P5 take their picks. Just some thoughts for discussion.


I think the hard cap will emphasize the need to manage attrition better. I think we will see more JC recruits as well to try to address the shortages in the upper classes.
We had 3 transfers this year and two of them were in areas that came up short of depth (WR and DL).
This year three early recruits suffered season ending injuries that prevented them from gathering attention during their senior seasons. Nelson Jenkins, Jaray Jenkins, and Davin Cotton. Even Terrace Marshall dropped a little in some services since preseason. This type of issue will continue to expand if we move to an August early signing period.
One thing that I see is that the staff evaluated some players more highly than the recruiting services. If the staff evaluations play out, we should see this class exceed expectations. Another risk of not seeing how they play during their senior seasons. Early offers impress the player but are inherently riskier.
I do think that some players that improved dramatically during their senior season, might get shut out of their preferred school. But there are a number of p5 schools with scholarships to give. Some schools like Fla State, Utah, Arkansas, Arizona State, Oregon State, and UCLA have 12 or less commits.
Posted by SOL
Garland, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2950 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:06 am to
about right. We should finish 8 to 10. We can win with that
Posted by TampaTiger22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jul 2012
6669 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:20 am to
exactly, but no matter how smart this class is, douchebag ranters wil say its not good enough
Posted by EXPLAYER
Member since Jul 2017
10786 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:21 am to
They do have five star linemen. But far less then the playmakers in highschool . A lot of that has to do because in highschool sometimes you can win individual battles with your size alone. That is why I like idea that we went after junior college linemen they are a little more matured mentally and physically. Checkmate! Would love to hear what's wrong with the linemen we signed .
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3514 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:26 am to
quote:

We had 3 transfers this year and two of them were in areas that came up short of depth (WR and DL).


We had more than 3 transfers
Posted by Harv65
Humboldt Co., CA
Member since Jan 2015
142 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:35 am to
Lots of good comments here but my thought is how it played out this year, in retrospect what would the Coach O and staff do differently, and how it will change in future years.
I am satisfied with the class but there may have been a few quality opportunities left on the table.
Coach O loves recruiting and is good at it. That would play out well with his skill-set these next two months. Not saying take away the quality line prospect but here is who is left and there is some quality there with only 4 to sign.

1. Surtain DB
2. Watkins WR
3. Chase WR
4. Joseph DB
5. Goodrich DB
6. Joiner RB
7. Foster QB
8. Beal TE
9. Keys WR
10. Joe Foucha
11. Michael Williams
many others available to target if an extra space or two were there.

Not complaining just thoughts
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12506 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:45 am to
To me, it hasn't met expectations, partly on targets we chose, partly on it being a down year instate for the most part and partly because recruiting is what Ed is supposes to do best.

That doesn't mean I don't like the class overall. We have to finish strong, like we expect, for the end result to be less than a disappointment.

QB- the Rogers miss will tell the tale. If he flourishes we will talk about it for a few years. Still find it hard to fathom that we likely aren't gonna land one at all. With our job being wide open to the best man, its hard to believe we can't get one in this class.
RB- solid group that we will be fine with. Just not a good year for RBs this year but seeing UGA grab 2 studs and us scramble is not a good look.
WR-honestly, its about what was expected and land Chase or not I'm happy with it. Do think we ended ended up with the floor based on the available prospects for the bottom end. I like Jones and Jenkins but believe a couple of the kids we stopped pressing are a little better but it's basically a wash. Chase takes it from good to great. The transfer Giles helps as well.
TE-dont understand the need but I like the FL kid and add in Moss and it's good group.
OL-did what we needed. The C is gonna be important down the line while the jucos help now. Wire could swing the end grade down the line. If one of Hines and Rosenthal flip over it would improve the grade as both are better ol than DL IMO.
DT- could be some higher rated kids but I like the size and numbers we got. Really like Jenkins. Where Hines and Rosenthal end up could change things. Also likely one of Moore/Scott end up on the DL. Add in Feihoko and its a great group on paper.
LB-like the inside guys a lot. Outside depends on who ends up staying there. Love Scotts upside but he could grow into a DE.
CB-we have to close Surtain and add another, preferably Goodrich. I personally think Goodrich is less a lock than some have him seeming to be. Those Jan visits are gonna be to heavy hitters. Hope they have a plan for another.
S-have to close Joseph. He's a stud S.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
30922 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:49 am to
quote:

H could have top 5 class every year if you want 20 receivers and 10 running backs. He recruited for need .


LOL
This bullshite again. There are a ton of 5 star and high 4 star OL/DL. Look at the classes OSU and UGA pulled in.
Posted by Geauxst Writer
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
4960 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:54 am to
Penrith, you have narrow minded standards and are a star gazer. You mention Texas and Georgia - the latter that hasn’t won a championship in 35 years, and Kirby’s first year a disaster. Texas has 7 Times the population of LA, and Georgia 3 Times the population with High school football on par with LA per capita. They should always be in the top 5. If you add the 2 Texas Tech transfer, the NC State TE, and Shlevin with our 2018 signees, I would put our talent pool up with anybody. We are loaded and O’s recruiting has been brilliant with the exception of Etiene last year, and possibly not getting a top flight QB this year.
Posted by Nomojeaux
Member since Dec 2017
959 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:58 am to
Would you trade our class for that at Texas?
Posted by Nomojeaux
Member since Dec 2017
959 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:00 am to
So we trail Texas, would you swap classes?
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