re: Even the left fears the sexual revolution might have gone too far

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Oppressive sexual ideas from an ancient book will definitely solve "the problem".

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Even societies who didn't follow the Bible, practiced many of the same moral requirements mentioned in the Bible.

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Keep sex within the confides of marriage and you will see a lot less poverty, single parenthood, STDs, sexual abuse, and abortion.

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He knows this is truth.

Because that's realistic in the animal kingdom.. That we so happen to be a part of despite your story book. Our natural instinct is to procreate with others. Natural attraction isn't mutually exclusive to one person. Which makes monogamy unnatural. At least for us.

Plus, not everyone has the mental capability to adhere to religion's made up requirements. Not to mention societies current standards.

That said, if you do choose to enter in a marriage you should remain faithful. Which is obvious but, it still doesn't make your instinct any different.

Well, good luck with this one.

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Sure, but completely rejecting base instinct never works out well either

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That is definitely not what I'm suggesting. Human behavior is malleable, but only to a certain extent. I'm not smart enough to know what the sweet spot is.

Are these the same people who mocked VP Pence for being so old fashioned?

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Because that's realistic in the animal kingdom.. That we so happen to be a part of despite your story book.

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If you adhere to that worldview, then you have absolutely no basis for judging my "story book" in a negative light. There is no absolute, objective moral truth in your worldview and therefore there is no real "right" or "wrong" except what you decided inside your head. Why should I listen to your subjective standard if that's the case?

No, we are not part of the animal kingdom, and it's a good thing, too. We are made in the image of God and therefore have intrinsic value. If we were animals, we wouldn't have any value in ourselves and rape, theft, and murder against us would just be part of the harsh reality of nature.

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Our natural instinct is to procreate with others.

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Yeah, and monogamous marriage allows a safe place for reproduction where the offspring have a better shot at a longer, more prosperous life.

I hope you don't condone rape, since animals screw each other with no regard for sexual autonomy in order to propagate their species.

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Natural attraction isn't mutually exclusive to one person. Which makes monogamy unnatural. At least for us.

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Monogamy is unnatural because humans find other humans attractive? Are you saying that I should be able to sleep with whoever I want (whether they want it or not, as happens in nature) if I find those other people attractive, because that's what is "natural"? As someone else said, there are a lot of things that happen in nature that I don't think we should be emulating.

There are a lot of behaviors in humanity that seem to be natural that are self-destructive. We shouldn't support just anything people naturally want to do because you deem it unnatural. With this mentality, it's completely natural to kill sexual rivals who are preventing us from mating with those we want to.

What's natural is for us to sin. What's unnatural is for us to live rightly in accordance with God's perfect standard of righteousness. When we do what comes naturally, we suffer a lot because of it.

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Plus, not everyone has the mental capability to adhere to religion's made up requirements. Not to mention societies current standards.

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Huh? Even if we assume all religious rules are "made up", that would go for all standards of morality. Should we punish people who don't have the "mental capability" to adhere to any sort of civilized moral structure?

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That said, if you do choose to enter in a marriage you should remain faithful.

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Why? You just said that it's unnatural. By your standard, we should be screwing anyone we want and damn the consequences because that's what cats and dogs do. What basis do you have to say that married people should remain faithful and why should anyone care about your standard?

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Which is obvious but, it still doesn't make your instinct any different.

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Instinct might tell me to steal when I want something and kill when I'm angry. Why shouldn't I hunt you down and kill you in your sleep if that's what my instinct tells me to do?

I'll tell you why I shouldn't. I have the moral law of God imprinted on me and I know that murder is objectively wrong and immoral, in spite of what you say about instinct and nature. I shouldn't do that because our society, though it spits in the face of God, borrows from His objective moral standard and recognizes an intrinsic value in humanity. This borrowed standard helps minimize pain and suffering in this life by providing recompense for those who would kill others with malice, though that is the "natural" thing to do.

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Beautiful testimony. I'm sure he heard you. Now you get a check mark by your name. Congrats.

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I know it might be hard for you to believe, but I don't say these things to get check marks. The only good works that save anyone are the good works of Jesus Christ.

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Do you know who Gloria Steinem is/was?

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Married a string of wealthy men while talking about being a liberated woman. Kind of a female John Kerry.