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re: Lincoln Riley, Saban say fans who want to expand CFB Playoff field will never be satisfied
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:17 am to OneMoreTime
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:17 am to OneMoreTime
quote:
I have no idea. Did you think that Boise would hang with Oklahoma? Utah with Bama? Sure I think Clemson would win, but I'd like to see them settle it on the field.
Then you have a motivated Georgia kicking Hawaii's teeth in for four hours.
Oklahoma was ranked 7th pregame. Bama is a decent example, but Utah is a big enough program to now be in a major conference.
quote:
They already have bowl games starting on the 16th. That doesn't seem to be a factor.
The teams playing in those bowl games are playing in that game only, not that game and then potentially two more a couple weeks later. Those games are also not populated by teams that participate in high level recruiting.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:18 am to OKtiger
quote:
should be five conference championship teams with three at large bids including a Group of 5 Champion if they are ranked in the top 15
that's the model we need
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:19 am to Crowknowsbest
Oregon does not engage in high level recruiting?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:20 am to sms151t
quote:
Oregon does not engage in high level recruiting?
An exception.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:24 am to Crowknowsbest
Well last year you had Coog High, San Diego St, and UCF play on the first day of bowls. They seem to recruit at high levels
The previous year you had
BYU Utah and Arizona
In 14 you had
Utah and Western Michigan
I will give you 13 as well
Wazzu, USC, San Diego St
So your high level recruiting theory is crap.
The previous year you had
BYU Utah and Arizona
In 14 you had
Utah and Western Michigan
I will give you 13 as well
Wazzu, USC, San Diego St
So your high level recruiting theory is crap.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:27 am to sms151t
quote:
So your high level recruiting theory is crap.
I will concede that. I just looked at this year's schedule.
An 8-team playoff still creates huge difficulties for a college staff trying to run its program.
IMO, college football was never designed to be a game for the little guy. Attempting to make it one only dilutes the product.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:28 am to Bench McElroy
Completely disagree. People won't be satisfied until teams that deserve to get in stop getting left out. Conference champions should be in, regardless. Whether you want 6 with one more wild card or 8 with 3 more, that would solve just about every dilemma there is.
If you don't win your conference or aren't one of the next best 1-3 teams then you don't have any right to complain you didn't get in.
If you don't win your conference or aren't one of the next best 1-3 teams then you don't have any right to complain you didn't get in.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:28 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Agreed
I personally liked the BCS and liked two teams.
quote:I preface this by saying I know it's not realistic and also that it wouldn't end all the debate...oh and it's also not exactly a unique take but...
Most years it worked. But some years a third team had a case to be in the championship.
We already do all this arbitrary shite, 2 teams, now 4 teams. Some committee randomly decides, and we don't truly know the criteria blah blah blah. I'd be 100% with the number of playoff teams changing every single season.
Only have 2 clearcut undefeated top teams? Then a 2 team playoff, 1 championship game needed
Have 5? Make 4 and 5 a play in game, then run the 4 team playoff from there.
And so on and so forth...
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:31 am to shel311
Your premise is a good one but logistics is bad.
But here is a problem I see with your premise, how can you tell a conference winner they do not deserve a chance to play for a championship, now that we have moved to a playoff system?
But here is a problem I see with your premise, how can you tell a conference winner they do not deserve a chance to play for a championship, now that we have moved to a playoff system?
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:34 am to sms151t
quote:
how can you tell a conference winner they do not deserve a chance to play for a championship, now that we have moved to a playoff system?
"Your conference agreed to this system, and your conference championship does not earn you the right to play for a national championship. Win more games next year."
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:35 am to sms151t
quote:Eh, I don't think you should be auto in for winning your conference. Ultimately if it were up to me(which would be awesome!) I'd have it go back to 2 teams, so just throwing that out there.
But here is a problem I see with your premise, how can you tell a conference winner they do not deserve a chance to play for a championship, now that we have moved to a playoff system?
I have no issue with a team like Bama not even winning their division making hte playoff. But we 100% have a problem when a team win you're ultimately rewarded for missing that game while a team like Wisconsin is punished for making the same game in their conference.
I don't have an answer to work around that, other than no conf championship, that's the only possible way, and I'm not a fan of that either so I simply do not know.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 9:36 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:36 am to tigercubs
As much as I hate to admit it, I think they're right. Hell, the basketball tournament has 68 teams and people still bitch.
There's a reason no one watches regular season basketball. Not exactly a good model to hang your hat on.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:37 am to shel311
That is why I think they either need to include all FBS winners and 2 at larges, 24 10 champs 14 at large to complete the bylaw requirement, or just go to a vote again. I do not care what they do, but this charade of "National Champion" is just that a charade.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:39 am to sms151t
24? No thanks
I'm firmly in the 2 only camp or simply change it up every year. Want to let Ohio St and UCF in and go 6 this year? Ok, that's cool. Only have 3 clearcut next year, then have 2 and 3 have a play in game.
Like I said, still haven't solved the conf championship issue but again, I don't know how to do it without making other things that make CFB great devalued in such a big way.
I'm firmly in the 2 only camp or simply change it up every year. Want to let Ohio St and UCF in and go 6 this year? Ok, that's cool. Only have 3 clearcut next year, then have 2 and 3 have a play in game.
Like I said, still haven't solved the conf championship issue but again, I don't know how to do it without making other things that make CFB great devalued in such a big way.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:43 am to shel311
quote:
Ok, that's cool. Only have 3 clearcut next year, then have 2 and 3 have a play in game.
You want them to tell 2 of 3 undefeated teams that they have to play an extra game while one of them gets to stay home and rest that weekend?
That would go over well.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:46 am to RB10
What Saban is angling for is to just give it to Alabama every year and be done with it, no need for a fussy playoff with multiple chances to lose a game.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:52 am to Bench McElroy
College football has the most expansive playoff system in all of sports. It's the regular season.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:53 am to shel311
24 still makes regular season important and fills the requirement of NCAA Official Championship.
Me personally 12 is right number. The only reason I would do the 24 bracket was due to bylaw requirement.
Take the FBS Winners
Take top 2 non Winners
If you want to include The Indys as a conference, fine then add them and take away a At Large.
But this year we would have had using CFP rankings
Auto Qualifiers
UCF
Clemson
Oklahoma
Ohio St
FAU
Toledo
Boise
USC
Georgia
Troy
At large
Alabama
Wisconsin
The Bracket would have been
9. Boise vs 8. UCF, winner plays 1. Clemson
12. Troy vs 5. Ohio State, winner plays 4. Alabama
10. FAU vs 7. USC, winner plays 2. Oklahoma
11. Toledo vs 6. Wisconisn, winner plays 3. Georgia
In the first round that Toy and Toledo game would be a massacre, but weve seen that in the 4 model already. The FAU USC game would be a dream for the media. UCF Boise would be the old guard vs new guard.
The 2nd round you got potential
OU USC
Alabama tOSu
You have to win games to get in if cant win conference, you reward teams for doing what their first goal is, winning a conference.
This thing would be a cash cow.
You can use the New Years 6 games as the 2nd round and beyond. Play opening games somewhere bid or high seed gets home game?
Me personally 12 is right number. The only reason I would do the 24 bracket was due to bylaw requirement.
Take the FBS Winners
Take top 2 non Winners
If you want to include The Indys as a conference, fine then add them and take away a At Large.
But this year we would have had using CFP rankings
Auto Qualifiers
UCF
Clemson
Oklahoma
Ohio St
FAU
Toledo
Boise
USC
Georgia
Troy
At large
Alabama
Wisconsin
The Bracket would have been
9. Boise vs 8. UCF, winner plays 1. Clemson
12. Troy vs 5. Ohio State, winner plays 4. Alabama
10. FAU vs 7. USC, winner plays 2. Oklahoma
11. Toledo vs 6. Wisconisn, winner plays 3. Georgia
In the first round that Toy and Toledo game would be a massacre, but weve seen that in the 4 model already. The FAU USC game would be a dream for the media. UCF Boise would be the old guard vs new guard.
The 2nd round you got potential
OU USC
Alabama tOSu
You have to win games to get in if cant win conference, you reward teams for doing what their first goal is, winning a conference.
This thing would be a cash cow.
You can use the New Years 6 games as the 2nd round and beyond. Play opening games somewhere bid or high seed gets home game?
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 9:57 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:54 am to RB10
quote:Yes, you get rewarded for being #1.
You want them to tell 2 of 3 undefeated teams that they have to play an extra game while one of them gets to stay home and rest that weekend?
quote:Would it not go over well with OHio St to play a play in game as the #5 seed? Or would they jump on that opportunity?
That would go over well.
Also, there's no system that is going to "go over well" so I don't accept that as a criticism of this one.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:55 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Just leave well enough alone and stop trying to water it down with more teams.
Every other major NCAA sport has way more than 4 teams in their title tournaments/brackets.
Having #5 and #6 bitching about being left out is entirely different than #17 and #18 being left out.
If you rank top 6, it's not unreasonable that you have a legit gripe about being left out.
At #17 and #18, that's on you.
Personally, I want to see playoff expansion for more quality football. Not because I'm some purist who wants a "true" champion.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 9:56 am
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