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Duck population IF a full season was cancelled
Posted on 12/2/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 2:47 pm
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I'm sure we'll never see it. But would the population explode if duck hunting was banned in North America for one fill season?
Would you support the ban if the study showed (example)1970 population would be regained?
I'm sure we'll never see it. But would the population explode if duck hunting was banned in North America for one fill season?
Would you support the ban if the study showed (example)1970 population would be regained?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:03 pm to the LSUSaint
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Would you support the ban if the study showed (example)1970 population would be regained?
The population estimates are higher now than in 1970.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:05 pm to Cowboyfan89
I can believe that. I also wish I could still go to Manchac and shoot mallards like my dad did in the 70s. Mother Nature is a fickle bitch.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:06 pm to Cowboyfan89
If it would lead to a dramatic increase yes.
I also want a reduction in deer tags, antler restrictions and the winning Powerball numbers.
I also want a reduction in deer tags, antler restrictions and the winning Powerball numbers.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:11 pm to bootlegger
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I also wish I could still go to Manchac and shoot mallards like my dad did in the 70s.
I think this is more what the OP is talking about. The numbers WE see down here.
If so, that will never happen again because of the drastic changes in agricultural practices up north. Too much waste grain on the ground up there because of no-till practices. When there is plenty of water, and no snow coverage, those big ole fat mallards aren't coming down here in big numbers.
The drastic decrease in rice acreage in Louisiana and increase in SE Arkansas doesn't help either.
We have plenty of ducks now. Just don't see the numbers down here because of what has changed up north.
Besides, how much more could the population actually grow based on the habitat we have now? If you have a really wet year in the potholes and Canada, you may see a big jump. But if you have average to below average moisture years like the last few have been reported to be, you won't see much growth.
Hunting is not as big a factor in population growth as people think. Habitat is a major factor.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:51 pm to Cowboyfan89
I think hunting accounts for about 10% nationally. It wouldn't make a significant difference in the annual populations
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:58 pm to xenon16
Last year's estimated population was 48.4 million, with an estimated 14.8 million harvest, so roughly 30%.
In 1970, the population was estimated around 40 million, and the harvest estimate was around 17 million.
Some may look at that and think it would increase the population substantially if the season was closed one year, but it really wouldn't. The graphs of population estimates over time correspond pretty well with pond numbers.
More ponds, more ducks.
In 1970, the population was estimated around 40 million, and the harvest estimate was around 17 million.
Some may look at that and think it would increase the population substantially if the season was closed one year, but it really wouldn't. The graphs of population estimates over time correspond pretty well with pond numbers.
More ponds, more ducks.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 4:04 pm to the LSUSaint
I would be all for a 12 month stand down if it would help numbers.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 4:36 pm to the LSUSaint
There are more ducks now than there were then, at least by estimates. You just don't see as many down south. No till farming in the midwest is leaving more grain in the field, and there's more habitat for them. They are just spread out over a larger area. Very few animals experience population booms, and when they do it takes years. As others have said hunters don't kill much of the population anyway.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 4:41 pm to the LSUSaint
I would not want the 1970 duck populations,
Canceling a season wont fixed the ever changing migration patterns , habitat changes, imprinting and habitat degradation....
Now getting rid of no till farming.........
Don't let people drive mud and air boats over every square inch of marsh and lease
Don't let people take trucks atv and utv all the way to blinds....
Leave the ducks an place and a chance to rest
Canceling a season wont fixed the ever changing migration patterns , habitat changes, imprinting and habitat degradation....
Now getting rid of no till farming.........
Don't let people drive mud and air boats over every square inch of marsh and lease
Don't let people take trucks atv and utv all the way to blinds....
Leave the ducks an place and a chance to rest
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:37 pm to choupiquesushi
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Canceling a season wont fixed the ever changing migration patterns , habitat changes, imprinting and habitat degradation....
Not sure about that..
And yes, what I meant is the #s down south.
Cancelling would mean 15 million more sucks breeding. If half are females, that's 7.5 million possibly laying eggs.
I'm not sure of the female;offspring per year ratio, but I'm sure it's at least 2 surviving chicks per female.
None killed with 15+million new birds would put the overall ÷s near or over 60 million.
Now, to offset, we wouldn't close goose season...and that would take care if the overpopulation issue we have.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:03 pm to the LSUSaint
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None killed with 15+million new birds would out the iverall ÷s near or over 60 million.
Assuming the habitat is there. Have to have the ponds to support that extra 15 million birds.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:10 pm to the LSUSaint
It would have zero impact on improving your local hunting conditions
The birds not coming here would follow their friends elsewhere
The birds not coming here would follow their friends elsewhere
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:24 pm to choupiquesushi
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t would have zero impact on improving your local hunting conditions
The birds not coming here would follow their friends elsewhe
Um, kinda have to think some of their friends would be headed here, right?
Come on guy, catch a grip. More ducks would mean more sucks anywhere where there are ducks.
And I have to believe a larger % of those killed happen via the central flyway
Posted on 12/2/17 at 11:08 pm to the LSUSaint
You're probably talking about a couple hundred thousand more, if that, coming down here. At most, we get 3 million, but I think average is more around 2. So we get less than 5% of the birds. So you have to figure that on a 10 million bird increase, you would only get another 400k birds down.
People gripe now about not seeing birds when the surveys say we have 2.5 to 3 million. There could be 100 million birds and people would still claim to not see ducks. HA!
People gripe now about not seeing birds when the surveys say we have 2.5 to 3 million. There could be 100 million birds and people would still claim to not see ducks. HA!
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:10 am to Cowboyfan89
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eople gripe now about not seeing birds when the surveys say we have 2.5 to 3 million. There could be 100 million birds and people would still claim to not see ducks. HA!
this.... as they stand up in their blind with their heads sticking up above the cover holding a shiny coke can while facing east with that shiny beacon visible for 2 miles...
the biology of the duck population does not support shutting the season down to improve hunting on a macro level... it seems you are the one that needs to get a grip on the big picture.
the duck migration is changing... and people are the reason not hunters.. just like along the east coast - the canada geese there used to be coastal now they are nearly strictly aggie area there..... things change....
if you can't comprehend what the degraded and changing habitat in parts of la (erosion, less area in grain production, more people traversing marshes DAY and NIGHT) and NO TILL farming you simply don't understand enough about the waterfowl resource we enjoy. You should probably talk more with biologists and wildlife managers, land managers and less with bulletin board PHDs
If you think everyone thought it was sunshine and rainbows 25 and 30 years ago or even 15 years ago you are wrong.....
a certain marsh near NO used to be covered with ducks.... now they are lucky to get dos gris.. things change...
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:33 am to choupiquesushi
I was born in 1952 and grew up duck hunting in SW Louisiana. I think three factors combined to reduce the number of ducks in the south La. One is certainly the "no till" farming up north, as others have mentioned.
Another was the decline of rice farming. There was a period of time when the government paid farmers to not farm rice. I think a lot of birds altered their flyway during that time. Soybean farming didn't help that situation
The third is climate change. Although some meteorologists disagree, it doesn't seem like the weather gets cold enough to drive birds down here, particularly when they have good food stocks to the north. Just my opinion.
Another was the decline of rice farming. There was a period of time when the government paid farmers to not farm rice. I think a lot of birds altered their flyway during that time. Soybean farming didn't help that situation
The third is climate change. Although some meteorologists disagree, it doesn't seem like the weather gets cold enough to drive birds down here, particularly when they have good food stocks to the north. Just my opinion.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:46 am to Tigerhead
Tiger head spot on
But if you look historically in our lifetimes at mid west snowfall with no till farming it takes about 5-8 days of snow / ice. Over crops to keep ducks from being able to feed and forcing their migration. Even years ago that scenario rarely happened until jan
Also more and more acreage being crawfish we is not great for ducks
And rice harvesting today leaves much less spillage than years ago
Compond this with the constantly degrading coastal marshes and the sheer increase in boats traversing these coastal marshes now and you have the present situation
South la has very few places other thn refuges where ducks can rst un molested during the day.......or night
But if you look historically in our lifetimes at mid west snowfall with no till farming it takes about 5-8 days of snow / ice. Over crops to keep ducks from being able to feed and forcing their migration. Even years ago that scenario rarely happened until jan
Also more and more acreage being crawfish we is not great for ducks
And rice harvesting today leaves much less spillage than years ago
Compond this with the constantly degrading coastal marshes and the sheer increase in boats traversing these coastal marshes now and you have the present situation
South la has very few places other thn refuges where ducks can rst un molested during the day.......or night
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:49 am to Tigerhead
Those mud motors are a big problem. They allow easy access to the maases...
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