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The Day I Shot T4

Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:04 am
Posted by beHop
Landmass
Member since Jan 2012
14538 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:04 am
This was originally going to be a short reply to the other thread but as this is the start of a new rifle season, it might be useful for some of you to read this, so I started a thread. Please, don't make me regret it as I have not really spoken to anyone about this in detail other than my wife and therapist. Writing can be good therapy, so if you don't want to read this stream of consciousness then:

TLDR version: Stay safe. Hug your loved ones. Tell them you love them. Happy hunting.

As most of you regulars know (or maybe you don't), I'm the one that was on the other side of the rifle that beautiful, horrid day T4 has told you about. And to those of you that knew and were understanding, I thank you. I've felt like I don't belong in the circle of trust ever since. And when the story made it here, I rarely showed my face, hardly posted at all for a while. I'm still mad at myself, embarrased, regretful. God, am I regretful. So thank you for not prying for an explanation from me or lashing out at me. I appreciate it.

Some of you, however, think that you must be impervious to tragedy based on some of the comments I've read over the course of several threads where it's been brought up. You might not think so, but you and I are almost the same guy. We grew up as boy scouts, we always just did the right thing. We were taught by responsible mentors the "right" way to do things. We were so lucky to have family, friends, and professionals in some cases, show us the way. Hard work. Preparedness. Safety. Always safe. Always on top of our shite. Growing up, people came to us for advice all things outdoors. You and I practiced religously. We were prepared. We were safe. Always safe. Always. We encouraged others to do the same. We walked the walk.

But on this day, I got distracted. Maybe taken off-guard. I don't know. Maybe there was a glitch in the matrix (more on that later.) That day was just like any other successful morning in the woods. Until it wasn't.

T4 had shot him a dandy of an 8 point already. I met him at the truck, and he took me to the spot where he'd shot him. Then we loaded that beautiful bag of delicious venison in the back of the truck. Probably make a good Euro mount too. Of course, we went through the scenario of how it happened. "I was going this way, and I heard something over there. Looked up. There he was, yada yada, bang." Dead deer. Cool. T4 strikes again. That's a deer/hog killing SOB. We should do jerkey this time. Maybe do the heart with onions in the cast iron. Hell yeah. Good day.

And we were on our happy way. Headed home.

It happened so fast. We were driving out from the bottom in the muddy, narrow road, buck in tow. Thickets on both sides of us when we get to a section of road that opens up a bit into a curve. At the mouth of the thicket to the left, T4 spots a hog's head poking out. "Hog!" he yells and grabs his BAR .308 and jumps out. I grab my A Bolt 7-08 and follow suit out the passenger side. "You go up there, and I'll look this way to see if they come out," he said. Got it. He'll be right there and I go up a little ways and start scanning the brush through my scope. I can hear the hogs, I just cant see them yet. It sounds like a decent sized group of them. They're never alone you know. I hear snorting. Black. I see black. I hear hog. Another flash of black. If I let them go, I may not get another shot at them. I fire a shot. And another. I think i hit it. At least one of them.

But then the strangest thing happened. I didn't hear a squeal. It was T4 that I heard. A terrifying scream.

I still hear it when he calls my name now. The fear. The terror he must have felt. The fear, the terror that I still feel today, it's crippling. We literally see each other every day, too. It's so strange to have such an overwhelming feeling of gratitude and thankfulness equaled by shame and guilt when I go back to that day mentally. Disgust. I'm still so disgusted with myself. So careless. So stupid. So. fricking. stupid. Always be sure of your target. Always. It could have been so much worse.

He yelled my name repeatedly. Just enough time in between to grab a breath and repeat. I knew immediately that I had fricked up. I was running. I didn't even realize it. My body just kind of started acting as it should. I just ran. He kept screaming. I'm still holding my rifle for some reason.

"I'm coming buddy! I'm coming! Hold on!" I kept replying. I kept thinking while I yelled for him to hold on: "What the frick happened?! How?! He wasn't supposed to be there! He had a fricking black shirt on! Was he literally chasing hogs?? Where was his orange? Did he have it on and I just not see it?! Where did I hit him? Lungs? Leg?? Please God let it just be a flesh wound..." on and on it went.

It's amazing what a brain can process in such a short time frame. The thought that he might be dead in a matter of seconds crossed my mind. I thought to myself that there's a good chance that I'll just end it for me too when i get there if I had just killed him. What had I just done? What am I going to find at the other end of those screams? Oh God help me.

That's how quick the guilt sat in. I wouldn't have deserved to walk out of there. He has 3 kids. A wife. Mom and dad. Brothers. Sister. No way they'd ever forgive me. No way I'd forgive me. I still haven't. At the time I was just married. No kids. I have a 1 year old and another on the way. I love them so much. I'm so glad T4 can know them, play with them.

When I finally got to him (we're about 3 or 4 minutes removed from t4 yelling "Hog!" at this point) what I found was the toughest son of a bitch I've ever met laying on the ground with a hole in his neck calmly saying, "You shot me." I don't remember exactly what I said as I grabbed/ripped a shirt to attempt to stop the bleeding, but it was something along the lines of, "OHMYGODISHOTYOUfrickDUDEIMSOSORRYCANYOUMOVEYOURLEGS?AREYOUOK?IMSOSORRYOHMYGODGRABMYHANDANDSQUEEZEAREYOUOK?HOLDON911?YESIJUSTSHOTMYFRIEND"

After that, things are much more blurry. Game wardens came. Sheriff's deputies were there. A helicopter came and picked him up. His brother was there. I cried. A lot. I drew a picture for the wardens to explain what happened. Another friend of ours came and picked me up and drove me to Memphis. I cried the whole way. And I'm crying now as I relive those emotions. I didn't know what was going to happen. I just knew I was ashamed of myself. How could I? How could I have done this? What if I just killed my best friend?

Miraculously, as you all know by now, he was a total freaking rockstar at the med. Up and walking almost immediately, keeping the whole hallway encouraged. The nurses loved him. He was ok. I still have my friend.

Thank God.

(Cont.)
Posted by beHop
Landmass
Member since Jan 2012
14538 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:09 am to
Cont.

I mentioned earlier about there possibly being a "glitch in the matrix." Let me explain.

While T4 was stalking his 8 point I was sitting in a box stand on another piece of the property. Behind me, a small waterway was the stage for a mallard drake and hen as they danced atop the water for my amusement. I took a picture on my phone. It was ok, but it didnt do the IRL scene any justice. It was one of those zen-like moments you can only get in the woods with mid 30 temps and sunlight veaming through a heavy fog. A moment that stays with you. A good one. Here's the pic:


We slept at a Holiday Inn Express while T4 was in the hospital for a week or so. When my wife and I walked into that hotel room for the first time and sat our bags down I fell to my knees and broke down again. The print that I saw on the wall of that hotel room
made me lose it:


(Not the exact print. Couldn't find it online, but that'sthe jist of it. The hotel let me take the actual one. It's in storage while we're transitioning to a new home).

Glitch? Maybe. God's hand? Likely. Lesson learned? You bet.

I still haven't killed anything since that day. I've tried. I'm just not quite the same yet. I don't know that I'll ever be. Maybe getting some of this off of my chest will help. I don't know.

It goes without saying that T4 has handled the situation exceptionally well. I think he even gets a kick out of that gnarly scar he gas now sometimes. I'mso sorry to him for the pain I've caused. If i could take it on as my own, I would ten fold.

I hope that you all will take our story and use it as a reminder to avoid going through what we did or something much worse. To those of you that have been affected by horrific accidents you have my prayers and my sympathy. I pray that you all will have safe, fun hunts for the rest of your days.

This post was edited on 10/30/17 at 6:31 am
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7798 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:14 am to
Damn bruh, no words. That had to be the worst day of your life.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5861 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:44 am to
Stuff happens sometimes. Best thing is that it is an example for others. I almost shot someone while deer hunting (it was entirely his fault). 13 year old me was terrified. Dude had been hunting way longer than me but ignored very basic rules. These are all learning moments.
Posted by Cajunate
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
3354 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 6:53 am to
My heart goes out to you dude! Hang in there and stop beating yourself up. It was an accident and you're both here today to talk about it. You're still friends and that's a good thing.
I know how you feel as I shot someone but it was a completely different situation. Mine was self defense and just about every day since I think about it. If I had to do it over I probably would do the same exact thing in my situation as it was life or death for me or a family member.
I will keep you both in my prayers as you both seem like great people.

Stay strong!
Posted by lv2bowhntAU
God's Country,a.k.a N. Alabama
Member since Jan 2011
3301 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 6:54 am to
Just goes to show how quickly things can change during a hunt and how we always need to err on the side of caution if there's any doubt whatsoever. Takes a solid man to admit his faults especially in a situation like that and on a public forum like this. Thankfully everything turned out ok
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17294 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 8:08 am to
Unimaginable
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32025 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 8:47 am to
Thanks for sharing. We are all safe hunters until we are not. We all get comfortable, we have done this so many times.. we know what we are doing. But thats when accidents happen, when we are comfortable. Im 34, and as the "expert" lol, hunter that i am, i get comfortable and do dumb stuff. I ride with the gun loaded, you know in case i see a deer leaving the camp. I climb stands and dont use a harness, you know because ive done it so many times that im comfortable. Fact is, everyone makes mistakes. It happens.. should you have not shot because you didnt see your target, sure... should your friend had his orange on, sure. But it happend, its overwith.. you both are alive. Move on man, no sense in letting that one second effect your life. Everyone makes mistakes every day.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5523 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 9:12 am to
quote:

beHop



Oleyeller said it well. You're a good man for posting the story and opening yourself up to the internet holier than thous who love controversy. Accidents happen man. I think it goes without saying that everyone here - including T4 - understands that. Some accidents are just way more severe than others.

To me, fault is totally irrelevant to your situation. I understand you feel guilt, and there's probably nothing that I could say here to change that. That said, I'd encourage you to try to get back in the woods just because your story is a great example for all of us (myself included). Even though I would describe myself as someone who places a heavy emphasis on safety in the marsh and in the woods, I am way too comfortable. Your story is a reminder that you can never be too comfortable. I would try to get back in the woods with your friends, because both of you really are a walking example of why safety matters so much.

It really does take quite a human to come post something like this in a public place. to you, and to your buddy T4 for taking it in stride. Sounds like you guys have a great group of friends.

This post was edited on 10/30/17 at 9:13 am
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17345 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 10:04 am to
Your post brought back memories for me. The last time I ever ran dogs for deer I was 14. My uncle put me on a spot and walked out of the woods and a ways down the road, far enough I couldn't see him anymore. I shot a doe that ran 5 yards in front of me, and hollered "got her!!" when she toppled over. But all I heard in return was my uncle moaning. I ran 50 yards towards the sound and he was hunched over. One of the buckshot pellets had hit him in the arm. I've never been that scared in my life. It ended up being just a graze, the pellet either went through the deer or hit a lot of brush on it's way to him. He swore up and down to the game wardens it was his fault for not letting me know where he'd be standing, but it shook me for years after. I didn't fire a gun for over a year and didn't kill anything for several more years. Now I always hesitate before I take a shot, and probably will for the rest of my life. The silver lining is that from that moment on I've been a complete nazi about gun safety.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166551 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

"Hog!" he yells and grabs his BAR .308 and jumps out. I grab my A Bolt 7-08 and follow suit out the passenger side. "You go up there, and I'll look this way to see if they come out," he said. Got it. He'll be right there and I go up a little ways and start scanning the brush through my scope. I can hear the hogs,


i know behop pulled the trigger but the mutual decisions that was made in this split instance is just as important of a lesson as identifying target. This is actually the bigger mental decision that is important for us hunters to digest, getting caught up in the moment of excitement led to a very dangerous environment quickly all over a few hogs.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5152 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 4:33 pm to
Damn what a story. Can't imagine what you were going through and what you still go through. Very well written story too
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 9:24 pm to
I almost shot my best friend on a turkey hunt one morning. We had split up at daylight cause there were gobblers in different directions gobbling on the roost. Well when they flew down they shut up so I went walking and listening. A few hours later I get to a little pasture and decide to just sit up a strutter decoy with a hen in the field and blind call. I would yelp every 20 or 30 min. Well my buddy heard this and could see the fan on the strutter just over a little rise and decided to belly crawl out to it for a shot. He took his hat and face mast off incase he had to do some quick shooting when he broke over the rise.

He has dark black hair and as he gets closer to the top of the rise I can make out something black moving at about 45yds. Well my first thought was its a gobblers black body and he's pecking around in the clover. I get up on my gun, safety off, finger on the trigger just waiting for him to show me his head when my buddy raises his head up. I had the bead on his nose when he raised up. Scared the hell out of me. Not a day goes by in the turkey woods I don't think of how close I was to pulling that trigger
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13177 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:25 am to
I’m willing to bet your friendship as stronger than ever now. If not, it will be. This is a great lesson for anyone that puts a gun in their hands, and could happen to any of us. After an incident such as this I’d probably be too scared to hunt again. In no way am I saying that is the correct answer for you. I look forward to teaching my sons to shoot and hunt one day, and this story shall serve as a reminder for me when that day comes.
Thanks for sharing
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