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re: Can someone explain to me why our youth system is bad?

Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:14 pm to
Venezuela is the only country in South America that cares about baseball. Coincidentally, they're probably the worst team on the continent in Soccer. If you look around the world, the countries that don't have soccer as the #1 sport, with very few exceptions, are bad at soccer.

USA, India/Middle east, China, Australia, Russia (probably close with hockey). We're talking some huge population centers, but soccer isn't the biggest game in town
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:15 pm to
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USSF needs to start actually funding for better coaching

I think coaching is the #1 problem with our youth system.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:16 pm to
SCH, you can probably answer this. How big is Cricket/Rugby in England compared to soccer? Are those two even close?
Posted by Xenophon
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:17 pm to
Is it realistic for every kid to play soccer for free?

If 3-4 players per team are free, that's 30-40 kids per age group just with FCD, that is one of 5 or so big clubs in DFW doing the same. Then add another 30 or so fully funded kids at each age group for FCD academy.

Again, if that's not how every MLS team is doing it, then yes that needs to change.
Posted by Xenophon
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:18 pm to
Agreed. I heard on talk radio the other day that it can cost a coach up to $10k to get a B license. That's crazy.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:18 pm to
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How big is Cricket/Rugby in England compared to soccer? Are those two even close?



Its fricking huge

tons of money in both sports

they have similar youth set ups to soccer. Just not on the same scale.

The difference is once kids hit a certain age there is no more playing 3 sports. They commit to one and become professional at it.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:20 pm to
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Is it realistic for every kid to play soccer for free?



yes

quote:

If 3-4 players per team are free, that's 30-40 kids per age group just with FCD, that is one of 5 or so big clubs in DFW doing the same. Then add another 30 or so fully funded kids at each age group for FCD academy.



well USSF and the clubs need to foot the bill for everyone

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Again, if that's not how every MLS team is doing it, then yes that needs to change.



This is bigger than only MLS
Posted by Michael Stein
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:20 pm to
We need to make licenses cheaper to earn. The cost of a USSF A license is like $4K compared to about $600 for the UEFA A license in Germany. That's cost-prohibitive for many. US Soccer wouldn't make as much money, but I guarantee it would improve our development structure long term. Germany has a A-licensed coach for about every 600 players, in the US it's like one every 6,000. That gap has to shorten.

Hell, I would even require that every parent volunteer helping out at the young child level should have to have at least the F license, and those should be provided for free. We need a better pipeline to get former players directly involved in coaching.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:21 pm to
It might not be realistic right now, but if you dangle that carrot, and improve the coaching, you can guarantee that those spots would become unbelievably competitive. That should be the ultimate goal.

I honestly prefer the regional academy idea, as I don't see pro/rel ever coming here, and the regional academy system, based off the French model, removes the clubs from the equation entirely while giving them what amounts to subsidized development. Soccer was not big in France in 1988 when the system was reorganized, and the French FA made a decision to make the most out of the players they had. Now the French system produces players for not only France, but for large portions of Africa as well. I think it is the model we should aim for, as it would fit well with the franchise system.
Posted by Xenophon
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:21 pm to
Yea. I laughed ODP coaches out of a room one time because they wanted my daughter to come train with them. For a small fee of $400 she could come to 4 training sessions. Ha.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:26 pm to
When i was invited to an ODP try out it as 2 hours away.

Even the Northern VA is one of the best areas in the country producing soccer. They wanted us to play and practice in Richmond.

Also the DC area is so good a producing talent bc its such an affluent area. My travel league 20 years ago consisted of an 8 division pyramid with pro/rel.
Posted by Xenophon
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:53 pm to
Dallas has the Classic league for both boys and girls. 3 division pro/rel league with Q tournaments. Then the Arlington and Plano leagues below that, each about 5 divisions. It's a nice pyramid as well.

Above that you have the Da for boys, and ECNL for girls. With the new DA for girls, ECNL will quickly go away in Texas though.

So D.C. has good soccer and set up. Chicago, Dallas, LA, Salt Lake and Colorado are all pretty good also with both.

which others are set up right and producing good talent?

Should we put na international cap on club Academies?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:57 pm to
If you look at the U-17 WC squad a majority of them are from the east coast.

Thats a problem. Tons of talent, esp lower income 2nd generation immigrant kids out west not even getting a chance.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:59 pm to
Hell, 3 starters are with AUFC.
Posted by Michael Stein
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:03 pm to
We're missing so many kids in the Southwestern US.
Hopefully, the newly founded clubs in Phoenix and Rio Grande Valley will alleviate that massive problem. That's where USSF needs to invest a ton of money. Texas, California, and Arizona could each have one or more regional academies on their own.

Hell, that area produces more prospects for Liga MX than US leagues because it is so poorly scouted and developed by the American soccer system. That needs to change. We need to get as many of these kids involved in the US Soccer system as possible, instead of the Mexican system.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:10 pm to
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nner city kids (which isn't the answer to American soccer dreams, regardless of how many talking heads say it) don't give a shite about soccer for the most part. Their parents don't care about it and they don't see a way to make lots of money playing soccer, so they don't.



and this will never change unless you make a real effort at engaging and attracting kids in those communities, and make it affordable. show them that there is in fact another avenue besides football and basketball.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:19 pm to
So not really much different than America. A huge sport (soccer) and two big sports (cricket, rugby) compared to a huge sport (football) and two big sports (baseball, basketball)

Most elite, potential professional athletes here a playing one sport by the time they're in high school, or at the very least focusing more on one sport
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:23 pm to
Still plenty of multi sport stars out there in HS

These kids in Europe basically pick a sport around 12 and stop going to school all together by 16, to become full on pros.

No limits on practice time and such.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:37 pm to
The current model applied to soccer could work here- as evidenced by the supreme talent we've turned out in those 3 sports despite kids being forced to finish school to pursue a career and limits on practice time.

The difference- coaching from a young age, and pickup games- I.E thousands of reps on their own time. I've seen kids playing football on asphalt in Pritchard, AL. You have 8 year olds playing with 13 year olds. Their youth coaches are teaching them the fundamentals of the game, by the time they're in middle school there is competition for spots. It's not popular enough here yet, and the coaching is not good enough here yet. Until you have guys that played soccer for 10-12 years coaching these kids from the beginning then it isn't going to really get better. Billy's dad getting roped into it because no one else would isn't going to really cultivate success. Even Jamal's dad that's coaching because he wants Jamal to play quarterback probably played 10 years of organized football.

We just need more kids to play and better coaches teaches them how. The 24/7 soccer mindset I don't feel is necessary due to our sheer numbers.
Posted by Cocotheape
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:54 pm to
I think the regional academies (that are completely free, paid for by money from clubs/MLS/USSF, transfer/signing fees, and sponsors) plus more emphasis on getting qualified coaches should be the priority for USSF. However, given how big a project this would be and how capital intensive the academies would be, its not gonna happen.

I'd be happy just to see some initiatives on the coaching. Sunil gonna look out for Sunil though
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